Opponents to ordinance voice opinions

The community has been divided for along time, did you just notice?

why so secret? thoese of us who support it would welcome the media. at least we have nothing to hide from the public.

The Bible also states that you should not break the law and when you come into our country illegally you are going against God's word.

Just wondering what it is most of the people don't understand? We are a country of laws and all people have to obey the laws.
Illegal is illegal! If you are here illegally you have broken the law, and you should be punished to whatever the extent of the law allows.
If you are a citizen of Fremont and you went out and robbed the hospital how long do you think you would stay free?

I was at the meeting and I'm one of many of the persons who are against this ordinance. I'm very sorry for those of you who have nothing positive to say, have you thought of the negative things this ordinance would bring if it passes. 1. City could be and would be sued in court and most likely would be struck down 2. Local police are not train to enforce immigration laws, money is needed to train them, 3. Fremont economy would be worse than what it is now 4. Not only hispanics but the whole city would be affected. I will tell you one thing not every hispanic is illegal and not every hispanic comes to this country to harm others.

What is wrong with doing things in secret? Do you need to know what all the illegal Hispanics are saying? I don't think so!, if you are so well educated and you respect others you don't need to know other people's businesses.

The bible also says that who should love others and not hate, that the strongest have to carry the weak, that if you have you should give to those that don't have, and what are you doing the total opposite thing. You are blessed because you are in a country of prosperity and you don't want to share it with others, I will tell you one thing if illegal immigrants had the opportunity of getting papers and become legal they will do it and they will pay the cost of it but that is the problem they don't have the opportunity.

"...I will tell you one thing if illegal immigrants had the opportunity of getting papers and become legal they will do it and they will pay the cost of it but that is the problem they don't have the opportunity."

Did I miss something? Last I checked everyone had the opportunity to come here legally. Their opportunity is in following the rules and procedures BEFORE they decide to come here illegally.

Yes, I totally agree with you, but there is one thing that you need to understand, the federal government should be the one enforcing immigration laws not the Fremont city Police. If this ordinance gets approved the city would be facing a law suit and then you will be complaining because the city would most likely losing lot and lots of money.

Most likely you missed something, I don't know about Europe, Asia, Middle East or other countries but the Central American countries, South American Countries and Mexico don't have the opportunity to come here legally to work, yes they can get a VISA but that only would let you come to the USA to visit but not to work. No body comes here because they want to visit they want to make their lives better that is why they work hard to make money and be better.

First of all, Diana Kuhl vicar at Salem Lutheran should stay out of politics, I believe there are some laws about religious nonprofits being involved in telling people how to vote.

And her statement, "the major sentiment was that the ordinance was not going to provide anything positive for our community." Diana, that was a rather naive thing to say considering your 'by invitation only' audience are all against the ordinance. And how is it that the details of the meeting are being reported by Don Bowen of the Fremont Tribune? Per Cindy Gonzalez in her 7/18/08 (today) of the Omaha World Herald, this meeting was behind closed doors WITH NO PRESS!! Don and Cindy seem to have really enjoyed your meeting, and an indication that a church is involved in politics, and telling people how to vote.

I do fully realize that this 'illegal' immigrant situation is a extremely tough situation for Fremont to resolve.
Fremont is having to deal with a wide variety of social, political and economical issue. And the decisions to be made are difficult, costly and long lasting!

I do not think anyone on either side of the issue is talking about going to southwest Fremont...along with several Fremont Police Officers, knocking on doors, checking Hispanic I.D.'s, etc., and if 'illegal' dragging them and their entire family out of the rented home...and driving the to the Mexican border!!

And...I fully realize and can appreciated both (1) enforcement of such a ban on illegal renting homes, and (2) the expense of a potential law suit by Hispanic groups/ACLU....is something a small community like Fremont can ill afford financially.

I think some of our leaders, career politicians and people with financial vested interest in the 'illegals' need to ask themselves serious questions!

How much of America and the American way of life are you willing to sell or give away? We have about 5,500 people who crossed our borders (uninvited)illegally....overload our public school systems, are draining our social services systems, are given unemployment financial benefits, cause our hospital to write-off hundred of thousands of dollars of unpaid medical services....and at the same time disregard our laws (Fremont/Nebraska and
U.S.)etc.etc.etc. Fremont is just one little city in the U.S.,nationally, estimates are over 20 million illegals are draining the USA financially.

Basically, Fremont is taking down the flag of the United States of America, and hoisting up two other flags: (1) the white flag of we surrender without a fight, and (2) the flag of the country of Mexico. I love America, and it really hurts me to see one city after another...and one state after another surrender to Mexico.

And, yes, I realize that even our federal government is slowly giving up the fight at 'illegal' immigration because liberal judges often side with the illegals. And if Barack Obama wins the White House...there will be NO border between the USA and Mexico...we will all be one country. And you may say, come on Joe are you exaggerating just a little? My response....did you ever think you'd see 'Bud' sold to a overseas country? Did you ever think you'd see General Motors losing $1 billion per month...which means that if things do not turn around in six months, GMC will either go bankrupt or be sold to a overseas auto maker.

People....we are giving away America without a fight....as is Fremont to the illegal immigrants without a fight.

I don't think the average person on the street in Fremont is going to quickly forget....how our politically leaders gave Fremont to the illegal Hispanics without a whimper or a fight!!

This morning, I had someone tell me they had heard Fremont's Mayor has ordered a brand new sign for the door to his office "Senor Mayor Skip Garcia."
What new sign will be put on the City Council meeting room door? I will leave that to your imagination........and
come election time, I trust ALL Fremont voters will remember who sold Fremont to the illgal immigrants!! Perhaps it is even time for some "write ins" for the November election. Do yea think?

I LOVE Fremont, and what it represents, and I LOVE America, and what it also represents...but...that is quickly changing, and I think LOTS of Fremonters are thinking the same thing!

Adios Senor...whoooops sorry...I was only practicing what will soon become
El Fremont's new language!!

I'm sorry but I have to agree with those that say illegal immigrants should be punished. We are a country of laws, as it was stated before. And it's because of those laws that has made this country what it is today, among other things as well, don't get me wrong. And as far as illegal immigrants not having the opportunity to get legal, that's a load of crap. They've made half way through the country in secret. All they have to do is go through the borders the correct way, and guess what, there's the opportunity. I'm all for people coming here and taking advantage of what United States life has to offer. We are a great country, the best in the world. But how much money are we wasting on people who don't pay anything back in taxes like the rest of us have to? Think about that for a second. How much are legal residents of the United States losing because an illegal immigrant is getting payed under the table? Or how much are the legal residents of this country dishing out to illegals in government proivided funds for aid. If you want my honest opinion, illegal is illegal. This country is spending too much time catering to people who are abusing what we have to offer, and those of us that are here living the right way are having to suffer because we've been forgotten. There's a saying out there that really fits for this country right now, "How can we help someone else, if we can't even help ourselves?"

Well I am glad there are people who understand the real world... Life is not perfect, we as humans do what we need to do to survive that is within the law... These people are here mostly under false pretense and half of their income goes right back to their country and doesn't get spent in the US...And most do not respect our laws either way... Blame the government for not regulating, but as a town and what is in our communities best intrests we need to stand up and take notice that this town has changed and people need to put on their glasses and see this town for what it is becoming...

To all of those opposed to this ordinance, what whould you tell your children if they were playing a sport and a few of the chilren that we're as talanted at the sport played by their own rules and the referee didn't do anything about it, let's say they used their hands playing soccer or used unnecessary roughness in football, whould you tell your children to ignore it and look the other way because the referee is and then you yourself would not get mad at the referee? how about if the less talented child won scholarships or prizes for their high scores, even though they cheated in order to get those scores and your child played fair and by the rules. Would you feel as if the less talented child had a right to those benefits because they are no less equal to your child and maybe didn't come from a household that didn't teach them to play or support them in their efforts to play the sport? This isn't a matter of race, it's a matter of playing by the rules and facing consequences when a person chooses not to play by the rules. Is that what you want to teach your children, that if a person's story is sad enough then the rules don't apply to them. If so, be prepared for the courts and jails to be even more clogged with law-breakers screaming about their rights rather an understanding that it was their own actions and choices that put them there. Robert Hawkins should have called one of you people and asked for amnesty instead of shooting himself, he probably would have gotten it.

Guess I did miss something. I didn't realize this discussion was just about coming here to work. Last I knew (although I'll be the first to admit I don't know everything) everyone has an opportunity to come here legally to live by following the rules and regulations set forth by our government.

Is that not correct? I'm seriously not trying to be flippant, I would just like to know if that's wrong. Now if we're talking about just coming here to work, that may be one thing, but last I understood, this was about living here.

Well, I don't know about you, but I feel that this town has become a very racist town. I've lived her since 1999 and until now there are some people of this town that makes me sick. We are all GODs children. Like one said at last nights meeting when the ilegal immigrants go to store like wal-mart. Do you think they stop to ask a hispanic if they are illegal so they can say oh your illegal then you don't have to pay taxes, because u are ilegal. So, get all of BS that is not true out of here. Every ilegal immigrant that is in the united States do pay taxes just like us legal Americans. For those that say this isn't a racial issue. If that isn't true then why when a Hispanic person walks around Fremont do they call out"LA MIGRA LA MIGRA!"

Just so you know, there are plenty of "whites" "Americans" whichever you prefer, living in "southwest Fremont.

Mr. Howell, \
Your comment on “People sending money back home” has no background. It is obvious that you have no idea how much people have to work to sent money back to their families. I would recommend you to do some research before talking about something you have no idea.

Reading the article I have to mention that values of community was suggested.
Do values mean hiding something that is wrong. To me this ordinance would make a better place and City. I agree with Prochaska that all people are created equal in God's eyes. And that is one more reason we all should be legal. If the problem of children born in the U.S. to illegal have the parents do what it take to be nationalized. If they don't want to then they will have to back to their homeland. I am sure there are plenty of relatives here to take the child, or if they chose to take the child with them. I am not against anyone coming to our country. If they didn't I wouldn't be here. But I would like everyone to have to obey the same laws as I do. And pay the same taxes. We just have too much money going out of this country. Just look into our future what that is going to do to us.
Just common sense tells me this can't continue. My birth certificate is handy and I would be glad to show it to rent a home or do anything for this country. Because I believe we are the best country under God. I am not a Fremomter but go there all the time. I am glad to see some city doing something about it because I don't think the Federal Gov't has the manpower to do it. After all it is better to have city Gov't involved than more Big Gov't. Besides that do u think they will start in Fremont, NE? This can be done if everyone holds their cool and just use good judgement. We are not here to hurt anyone but just do what is right. And working together this can be done. I hope everyone uses their head to think. God Bless Fremont.

It is obvious that you have no idea how immigration works. You cannot just go to an immigration office and say “I want to be LEGAL” this is not how it works. And you also don’t get a “green card” out of a cereal box or win it in a competition of “who comes to knock on the door first”. Since you are sooooooo proud of being “LEGAL” you should KNOW your immigration laws, if you did you WOULD know that it takes years and lots, lots of money to become a permanent resident and a citizen of this wonderful country. Here is one thing, “Study your country a little more”

Dear unknown
Please don't make this a racial issue. Because it isn't. It is about a law.
Just like robbing a Bank is wrong so is illegal immigrants. Hispanic shouldn't even be mentioned a law is a law is a law. We might be surprised who else is here illegal.

Everyone including the U.S.A citizens are abusing the system so don't even try to point fingers on the "ILLEGALS",the goverment is to blame on how our ECONOMY is going THEIR THE ONES THAT KEEP TAKING AND TAKING!! I have a question? Is fremont a racist city? anyone.................

Have we forget that we were created by one God and that makes us one, HUMAN BEINGS. Yes it is true that we all think different, feel different, act different, but you know what we were created to give love to each other not to hate each others. The issue here is racism not immigration. For the ones that believe they are doing the right think I feel sorry because one day they are going to be judge before GOD and you know what you will be sorry because there are going to be many people dying because of this ordinance. Immigrants won't have any money to send to their families and guess waht? their families are going to die, do you all want to carry that in your hearts if that is what you want go for it. Remember love each other, share, and help; everything you do to others you will get pay for, in this case you are giving hate so one day you are going to be hate by others and you will remember what you did to those stupid immigrants way back. Think about it!

KRK,

You need to brush up a bit:

Exodus 22:21, "You shall not wrong or oppress a resident alien, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt."

Leviticus 19:34, "The alien who resides among you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt; I am the Lord your God."

TO ANGEL

I am very sorry, Angel, Fremont is not a racist city...nor am I a racist.

If you think Fremont and I are racists
you have missed the whole purpose of what is happening re illegal sneaking into the USA and disregarding all of the laws,etc. Angel, you know and I know that if I were to sneak into Mexico, and break all of their laws, etc., I'd be thrown in jail and probably never heard of again (that would probably make you very happy).

Angel, you shouldn't be mad at me or "racists Fremont." You should be made at the Mexican government for not providing jobs, paying slave wages to workers and overall a bad standard of living.

My parents and grand parents were immigrants....however....I am proud to add one other word "legal" immigrants.
They learned English, they worked hard and made the transition to becoming a AMERICAN, and obeyed the laws of the USA. And this was before minimum wages, medicard, food stamps, social security, etc.

I am sorry to have to say this, Angel, but if you think Fremont is a very very racists town, etc., you know what I am tempted to say....but, I will take the high ground...and just say you are wrong. And enjoy the FREEDOM and benefits of America's society that about
1 1/2 million Americans have died to provide for you!! God Bless you Angel!

Oh man. Seriously, are we really now going to make this a religious issue as well? C'mon now folks. First race, then religion, can we just discuss the issue at hand? The issue is following the law.

Oh and by the way, no one said it's easy to do things legally but that's the way it's suppose to be done. It's not always easy for me to drive the speed limit either, but it's a law, and if a cop sees me speeding I pay a fine. I don't like it but that's the way it is.

Simply put if you break a law you have consequences. For all of those who say we should ignore this law, tell me what other ones you'd support me ignoring. Can I come rob your house because I can't make my food budget go as far these days and I need more food? Can I come and steal your car that's full of gas because I'm running a little low in mine? Can I go jump over the fence at Splash Station at 10:00pm because it's really really hot and I have no air conditioning and it'd make my life better if I could just cool down?

Pffft. Give me a break. Think those sound ridiculous? So does turning a blind eye to any other law. Law is law it has no color or religion.

Ok, I'm done ranting now.

Hmmm, now that I think about it, maybe that whole jump the fence to Splash Station and go swimming isn't such a bad idea. But shush, don't tell anyone! :)

I know lots of "whites" live in Southwest Fremont.....I grew up in a house on West 3rd Street...surprise!!

Do you suppose the meeting was held in secret because most of the members were illegal? Hispanics get here by sneaking over our borders and buying fake ids. Have we talked about identity theft? Who do you suppose need ids more than illegal imigrant? I would like to see some statics on the percentage of hispanics that are responsible for this. They get here by unawful means and then demands rights that they are not entitled to have as a illegal immigrants. Why don't they over throw their government? Why don't they try to change what is wrong with their country? Why do they run away like cowards? Do you think you want these people in your country? When things get bad in the United States where will they run then?

I hope this ordinance is passed. If it is not or if it is shot down by the courts I hope that our officials will not give up.

I hope that they will then write an ordinance that looks at giving fines only to those who hire illegal immigrants because similiar laws have been upheld by the courts. I hope that it's then enforced.

Take away the jobs and you take away the reason for an illegal wanting to be here.

If immigrants really wanted to be here, to be able to stay here, they would have gone about entering our country legally and showing respect for our laws.

Dan Hoppes--United Food and Commercial Workers was at the meeting at the Methodist church. Illegal residents and union members, how ironic that illegal residents are members of a union. Why does the union allow illegal residents as members? Unions use to be about higher wages and better benefits. Now that the illegals are in the union, what does it stand for?

Shame on you Diane Kuhl for using the church in a law breaking issue. Maybe you ought to pay a little closer attention to the Bible. Breaking the law is right up there with the big no nos. How can you and the church sanction someone breaking the law. Will you come to my defense if I break the law driving drunk, robbing someone or any other crime? Will you ask people and the law to turn a blind eye? We are a nation of laws and they must be maintained to keep our country and it's people safe and protected. How can you in good conscience ask us to ignore the law? (this also goes for Mr Planz) How can you stand there and propagate a lie that this is a racial and discriminatory issue when it is clearly a matter of enforcing the laws that are already there? Do you not care that when an undocumented person enters our borders they not only have broken the law but they put us at risk, such as diseases brought in, criminal history we have no way of knowing about, drug and gang affliations and much more. I have no problem with someone coming here by the legal means as a matter of fact I have wrote character references for two people wishing to live here, but both went the legal way. Why should they work hard to realize their dream of being here, to have others merely walk across the border? Both these people I am talking about are Hispanics and both are for the ordinance. They do not like the idea of us doing nothing about illegals. Too many people want to cloud the issue with discrimnation, racist and the bottom line it is all about the law, the ones that are already on the books. I congratulate anyone who comes here legally and I detest the ones that don't but most of all I detest the do-gooders or greedy landlords & employers who use this issue to their own advantage.

We all know that our great nation is a melting pot for all backgrounds of life as all of our ancestors came from other countries and all walks of life. I do believe though that everyone should obey the laws of our great nation. I work in the medical field and it is very frustrating when a patient gives you a social security number and it belongs to some else or carry around extremely large amounts of cash in their wallet and pull out a medicaid card. If they want equal rights then the same legal and taxable laws that pertain to a citizen should also pertain to an illegal immigrant. If you want to live and work side by side with me then learn the language that this nation embraced. Speak what you may at home but learn to adapt to the ways of the country you want to live in. I recently visited Mexico and on a tour we were told by a Hispanic Citizen that 89% of Hispanics can speak English fluently by the age of 8 years old why is it then when they come to the United States they suddenly lose those skills. I also have a Hispanic friend in Mexico that told me that the Mexican Government sends all of their citizens to college free all they have to do is agree to be employed with them for one year such a small price to pay for an education. So why do so many of them choose to be uneducated? Well wouldn't you if you could travel to a different country, not pay taxes, get free medical and have property owners, schools, and employers cater to your every whim. I know I would sure think twice about it. Maybe if we enforced steeper laws it would encourage them to utilize the benefits of their own country so our citizens could utilize the benefits of our country. People who think that illegal Hispanics are coming here to escape a horrible life need to get educated on their country they have the opportunities to create a better life for themselves it is just easier to not have to apply yourself and get it for free and to all the people that believe that Mexico is such a poverty stricken place I encourage you to travel there it is a paradise and yes it does have it's poverty stricken areas but so do we.

What is it about the word ILLEGAL the idiots in this town don't know. In other words you can break the law and it is OK as long as you live in Fremont. Heck go out and shoot somebody but stay in Fremont and a bunch of bleeding hearts will hide you from the law. Grow up people.

To one Govt:
Good for you for actually visiting a Latin American country. Most posters on these boards would be scared spitless.
But a couple of observations: First, if you went on a tour, (whether for business or pleasure) likely your exposure was somewhat limited. Not a criticism. Second, most immigrants (not all) to the US come from rural areas where it's typical to to not even finish 6th grade. A university education is not an option, even if it would be free, it's just not available in most areas. Boys work to support the family, girls are often married and/or pregnant by 16.
Third; fluently speaking English at 8? I'm sorry, but that's impossible. 8 year old American children don't even speak English fluently; at least to the point where they understand the grammar. Now, a Mexican child MAY memorize certain phrases, but they'd be far from "fluent". The grammatical concepts between English and Spanish are beyond an 8 year-old's comprehension. Even if they could, they'd forget almost everything by the time they entered the US 10-15 years later, because they'd never get to actually speak English. It's not just "suddenly lost". So, fourth, for most of the Mexicans that end up here, it is not a choice to be un, or under-educated. Therefore, those that DO have the option of higher education DO stay in Mexico. Fifth, a Mexican "university" education many times at best is like a community college, but on average more like a US high school. Sixth, even with higher education, without decent job/pay prospects, that schooling is often worth little or nothing. 7th, immigration is not just a Mexico thing; there's Guatemala, El Salvador, & Honduras. They're worse off than Mexico. Guatemala & El Salvador only recently emerged from violent civil wars and have yet to recover.

In sum, none of what I posted here is a criticism of you, personally. I criticize some on these boards because they're intellectually lazy. But if you've taken the effort to actually GO to Mexico (other than Cancun), props to you. It's just that there's more to the issue than what you've been told. I'm not a supporter of illegal immigration, just an observer and I love to travel.

One final word: Google "A Beauty That Hurts" a book by George Lovell; barely 10 years old. Buy it and read it, and you won't be sorry.

" RULE OF LAW " what don't you understand? And the process to become legal is easy and simple. $750 and we did it ourselves. Illegals spend more than that to get here. I know first hand because my wife did it. She is Portugese.So don't tell me how hard and expensive it is. Besides that is not the only law they have broken

It isn't the legals we are concerned about, its the illegals who disregard all the steps to come to our country and bring many unwanted drugs, crimes and destruction of property. Church representatives endanger their church non-tax status when they speak out in government affairs. A good place for church "do-gooders" would be the courthouse when county court is held, then they could work with the many cited offenders from other countries who don't seem to know we have rules and regulations to abide by here in the USA!

I have a question...If this isn't a racial issue, than why do you keep talking about MEXICO? I don't know if you realize this or not, but illegal immigrants can come from anywhere else in the world. Also, what cities in the U.S. have "surrendered" to Mexico. Last time I checked every city in the U.S., still belonged to the U.S. I for one am not falling for your "I'm not racist comment!"

JL claims that illegals are good for the economy. Explain to me how money made here and being sent to another country is good for the economy. When money made here doesn't stay in the economy, the economy fails, as it is now. Our economy would be better without illegals, and there would be less crime as well.

i guess that seperation of church and state dont mean anything anymore. and as for me wanting to hear an illigal individual speak yes i would like it very much to hear their side of the story. about why they cant come here legally. and yes we are all equal in God's eyes. but it also says thou shat not lie. isnt using someone elses ID to get a job or using a fake ID lieing? so i guess they will have to answer to God for this sin.

This is in response to the 7/20/08 5:56 P.M. directed toward me.

I have mentioned Mexico because that is where the largest (by far) percent of the illegal immigrants come from at this time.

If you want to label me a racists then go for it. I know that I am not.

What really concerns me is that illegal immigrants are overloading our public school system, medicade,foot stamps,health care system, etc., which are all designed to help "citizens of the United States."

I have faithfully paid all sorts of taxes for over 30 years, and now I see
illegals/non-citizens are using and chewing up benefits intended for legal American citizens..as mentioned above.

QUESTION: Why is it that Fremont Housing Authority does not have ONE illegal immigrant living in their properties? ANSWER: The Fremont Housing Authority has very specific means of identification that is required...with
no excceptions.And they carefully check to make sure all residents at Fremont Housing Authority (Gifford Tower, Stanton Tower, Somers Point, etc.) are 'legal' residents of the U.S.A.

So WHY is it so difficult for others owners of rental properties to do the same? ANSWER: It is NOT difficult...
you simply ask 'all' people applying for you rental property to bring their birth certificate or other means of proving you are a legal resident of the United States....regardless of what rental property owners tell you....hey,
a 12 year kid can check birth certificates, etc...

End of story.....if it makes you FEEL BETTER to call me a racists..GO FOR IT!

One final question: if you are going to slander or make false alligations about someone...have the GUTS to put your name on what you put under comments...
ok, chicken little?

1. "Church representatives endanger their church non-tax status when they speak out in government affairs." Could you provide the legal citation for the law or court case for this please? And don't just say the 1st Amendment. Churches can take stands on political issues but they can not endorse a particular political candidate or engage in other partisan activities. The Methodist Church was well, well within its power to host the meeting. Learn the law and then comment.

2. What part of word "illegal" don't the SUPPORTERS of the ordinance understand? It is unlawful for any government entity besides the federal government to regulate immigration. Imagine if every city in the US could pass it's own immigration law: Fremont could pass a law saying only native-born citizens could live in Fremont, not naturalized citizens or legal aliens, etc. Meanwhile, Wilbur could pass a law saying only American citizens of Czech ancestry could reside in Wilber. And on it would go. Sheer madness.

3. If you are white, your ancestors did not come here legally or illegally because there were no immigration laws until 1924, except for the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1886, which, well, excluded all Chinese. But for white Europeans, we had open borders. You got on a ship in Europe and arrived at Ellis Island, and if you didn't look like you were disease-ridden, you were in. So people who say that "illegals" should do it like their grandparents did are actually supporting open borders. Please educate yourself before you share your opinions.

4. Do not believe the lies of Mr. Warner. From his editorial it is clear that this is all about him and not in the best interests of the community of Fremont. At the July 8 city council meeting he chose to attack anyone who opposed this proposed ordinance instead of addressing the legality of it. He even ignorantly stated that the Hazleton, PA ordinance that the Fremont ordinance is modeled after was not struck down, even though the city attorney had the court decision right there. Warner chooses to intimidate and demagogue rather than look at the facts and use logic and reason to come to a conclusion.

5. Stop attacking Vicar Kuhl. She was the only local person who had the guts to stand up to the hate and vulgar insults at the July 8th meeting. She should be commended for her courage and serve as a model to the rest of the community to speak out against this divisive ordinance at the July 29th meeting.

Thank you!

"5. Stop attacking Vicar Kuhl. She was the only local person who had the guts to stand up to the hate and vulgar insults at the July 8th meeting. She should be commended for her courage and serve as a model to the rest of the community to speak out against this divisive ordinance at the July 29th meeting."

Oh, that's right. I forgot that only those who are opposed to this ordinance are targets of hate. To date, I have been called a racist, idiotic, moronic, lazy white Fremonter, uneducated, and ignorant. If you ask me, those who are in agreement with this ordianance should be just as fearful as those who are spouting "love your fellow man" while using the same hate speech and vulgar terms they are whining about having to deal with.