Courthouse security a success so far

By Russ Krebs/Fremont Tribune
Monday, Jan 12, 2009 - 10:44:22 am CST

A little more than six months after security guards started screening people going into the Dodge County Courthouse, things are going smoothly, an official said.

“We get quite a few people who come through and thank us for being there,” said Jerry Walker Jr., manager of JDS Security. “They’re happy we’re here.”

Since courthouse security began on June 16, there have been

49,750 people pass through the screening.

Guards from JDS Security, most of whom are off-duty police officers or dispatchers, staff the metal detector at the courthouse 2 1/2 days per week. There is a walk-through metal detector and an X-ray machine for packages, briefcases, purses and coats to be passed through to detect for weapons.

The procedure took a bit of time for some people to get used to, but most courthouse visitors now go through with no issues. He said most people are used to it.

“You don’t hear any complaints anymore,” Walker said. “Your people who come regularly are walking in the door with stuff in their hands ready to set in the tray.”

The questions have changed from wondering why there is security at the courthouse entrance.

“Now people ask why we’re not here every day,” Walker said. “When people ask why we’re not here every day, we tell them it’s not our fault. They need to talk to the board members.”

The Dodge County Board of Supervisors has hired the security firm to be at the courthouse half of the time.

“We haven’t really confiscated anything,” Walker said. “We’ve turned people away for weapons. Everything from knives to stun guns to mace, even screwdrivers.”

Since June, there have been 3,675 total weapons turned away at the doors to the courthouse. So far, he said there haven’t been any guns found, but there have been people with concealed carry permits who forgot they had a clip or ammunition in their pockets and had to return to their cars.

Even with a concealed carry permit, guns are not allowed in the courthouse other than by law enforcement officers.

So far, there have been 17,318 packages, parcels or purses passed through the X-ray machine and 1,436 items that have been physically searched.

“We have found weapons in purses and things,” Walker said. “You have two choices, return it to your vehicle or place it in the box at your own risk.”

There is a large metal box right outside of the security checkpoint where knives and other items considered to be weapons can be placed until the owner leaves the courthouse.

“There have been a couple of people with narcotics on them,” Walker said, adding the drugs were marijuana. “We call law enforcement and they are cited.”

There have also been 5,303 men and 1,813 women searched with a hand scanner because they couldn’t make it through the metal detector without setting it off.

“It’s amazing how many shoes have a metal shank,” Walker said.

The guards try their best not to inconvenience people entering the courthouse, he said.

“There is never a solid line,” Walker said. “You might get a group of 10 or 20, but in a couple of minutes they’re through.”

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L. G.Lefler
Jan 12, 2009 11:40 AM
Forgive me, I cannot see any reason why a Dodge County citizen cannot enter the court house without this process. Dodge County has a considerable investment in this equipment and is paying personnel to man it. I think that I ought to be able to renew my car license or change my voter registration without being subjected to this.

L. G. Lefler
J B
Jan 12, 2009 12:44 PM
Hey lefler, you can do those by mail, no metal detector there!!!!
sm
Jan 12, 2009 2:25 PM
I don't know if you know this or not, but there are more reasons that people enter that courthouse than JUST to renew their driver's license. There are courtrooms where they convict criminals. Just because you live in Fremont does not mean you are immune to some psycho going off the deep end on a bad day. I think its worth the money and the whole 5 seconds to walk through it as long as I don't get shot up.
Seriously
Jan 12, 2009 2:32 PM
Lefler, seriously? It takes maybe 10 more seconds of your precious time. Find something else to complain about.
fremonter
Jan 12, 2009 2:45 PM
now heres a great example of how to spend money and do the idiotic thing. i'm sure that fremont is on the terrorists hit list. i do wonder however, who made the money on this deal? this has to be the 2008 joke of the year. what do you think folks? shall we give the idiot award to the people responsible for this moronic idea? wow, i wish i had thought of it first.
mnk
Jan 12, 2009 3:03 PM
You tell him JB.
village idiot
Jan 12, 2009 4:32 PM
If you all feel more secure, the small amount of money must be worth it.
Just curious
Jan 12, 2009 4:34 PM
I'm glad the courthouse has security and a metal detector. I'm a little concerned some of you think this metal detector and security is for terrorists. Do I think terrorists are going to attack Fremont? No. But I wouldn't put it past someone to bring a gun into the courthouse to shoot up the place. It's happened elsewhere, why wouldn't it happen here? Don't be so naive.
Snoop
Jan 12, 2009 4:39 PM
It looks like an expensive arm-rest in that first photo.
ATS
Jan 12, 2009 5:43 PM
This is a big waste of time and money. This costs the county probably a minumum of 100,000 dollars a year to staff. That doesn't count the cost of the equipment.
NICK B
Jan 12, 2009 7:10 PM
I THINK THE MONEY WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER SPENT ENFORCING IMMIGRATION LAWS.
Andy Schnatz
Jan 12, 2009 9:20 PM
I was told by a Court house employees that the reson security is not manned 5 days a week is there is not enough money in the buget. And the reason it is there is because a couple of judges wanted it. I beleve the police in the court rooms was for security for the judges and court. So hearing this I guess the judges do not have enough faith in the sheriff department. Another waste of our money. Hey it's there so we must spend it
Maybe they are afriad someone upset about their taxes might flip out
jake
Jan 13, 2009 12:56 AM
i found it interesting that when i went into the court house with my steel toe boots on i did not have to remove them to show there was no concealed weapon inside the boot. just my 2 cents but if you are going to search someone shouldn't you do a complete search and not just a wand search let alone take someones word that they only have steel toe boots and no gun hidden in the boot?
Andy Schnatz
Jan 13, 2009 9:10 AM
I went through and the alarm went off, they then used the wand it went off. I told them it was my suspenders and they let me through, I just laugh
Dianne Roof
Jan 13, 2009 12:23 PM
One November afternoon while I was waiting for my ride to arrive, I sat on a bench inside the Dodge County court house doors close to the security station. I had nothing else with me to occupy my time so I spent the thirty minutes watching the security guards. I must say I left the court house rather dismayed with what I had observed.
I was very surprised to see a female guard on duty with one arm snuggly strapped into a sling. I wondered to myself, how on earth is this guard who happens to be carrying a gun, going to defend herself or backup her partner in a serious attack? I’m sure most people think, that can’t happen here, but why can’t it? An attacker could have disarmed her very easily, having only one arm to defend herself. This to me is not about the guard being a women. This is about paying someone to do a security job that they clearly are in no physical condition to be doing. What shocked me even more were what seemed to be court house employees distracting her from her job. They were stopping and asking her if her arm was getting better. As this continued I noticed she became more and more distracted from the x-ray screen in front of her. I counted 3 different times that purses went through the x-ray scanner without her watching the screen. Twice her back was to the screen because she was talking and the third time she was out of her work area altogether.

The Fremont Tribune stated, ‘A little more than six months after security guards started screening people going into the Dodge County Courthouse, things are going smoothly, an official said.”

I am not sure that I would call the operation smooth or successful as the title of your article states. If you do the math, I observed one missed purse or parcel every ten minutes. In an eight hour day, the equals forty eight misses! I would find that to be frighteningly high number if I were a judge or lawyer that worked in our court house on a daily biases.

I also feel that the security guards provide a very false sense of security. The location of the entire set up is bothersome to me. Late that afternoon as I watched the security station become busier I noticed due to it’s location and set up how easy it would be for anyone to slip past the two guards.

Why is there such a large unsecured area just to the north of the guards? Wouldn’t it make more sense for that space to blocked of by a waist high bar with a turn style exit or two for visitor to leave through. Someone jumping a barrier might be easier to notice than someone just slipping around the corner.

Now that I have read in the Tribunes article that the security isn’t even utilized everyday of the week I have to really question how much thought was actually put in to this project?
Why protect the people half heartedly half the time?
Its just me
Jan 13, 2009 2:29 PM
So many think it's a waste of time and money. How easy it is to forget the past. Do yourselves a favor and google courtroom shootings or court house shootings or even stabbings and then say what a waste of money it is. Or is that something else that only happens somewhere else?
please
Jan 13, 2009 2:30 PM
Andy, if you remember the sheriff's office was supposed to man the machine, but the county board thought having security was cheaper. See they are looking out for your taxes, laugh.
B
Jan 13, 2009 4:57 PM
I think Diane said it all. I have observed the same issues while at the courthouse. In fact after watching them not look while peoples purses went through they then freaked out and grabbed my 2 year old when he walked around instead of through the metal detector. Way to save the courthouse from the terrible two year olds.
fremonter
Jan 13, 2009 6:44 PM
just another perfect example of how backwards and most likely crooked the people of this town and county are.
Half A Security
Jan 13, 2009 8:10 PM
I would have to pose the question......if security is only run part of the time, couldn't weapons be hidden in the courthouse on the off days????? Sounds like a great system to me.......NOT!!!!!
Caesar
Jan 13, 2009 9:40 PM
Security issue is done and over with. You cannot now, as a city, remove the security w/o exposing yourself to liability in the event something would happen after the fact. Removing it now would be ignorant.

To all those criticizing the people staffing the machine, get a life. If you disagree w/ a policy, do you attack those people earning a living working there? Self-examination is needed by the majority of the posters on this board - and maybe some Prozac. Anonymously attacking people proud of their job is completely cowardly.
Tired of Morons-Used to be Bobo
Jan 13, 2009 9:54 PM
I swear to God I've never heard of anything so stupid. Even living in Fremont. 2 1/2 days a week?
And you people wonder why I think Fremont is a moron-infested, hillbilly backwater.
How very Barney Fife of you, Dodge County.
Tired of Morons-Used to be Bobo
Jan 13, 2009 10:35 PM
To its just me:
I took your suggestion. I Googled courthouse shootings, but I added "half of the time" and "2 1/2 days a week". I didn't get any results. Maybe I was wrong. Maybe the County does have a good handle on the security crisis here in Fremont.
Andy Schnatz
Jan 14, 2009 8:39 AM
In the artical it mentioned they found or might find narcotics. I didn't know metal detectors scaned for things like that LOL I quote - “There have been a couple of people with narcotics on them,” Walker said, adding the drugs were marijuana. “We call law enforcement and they are cited.”
Chris
Jan 14, 2009 10:46 AM
TO ALL:



If you believe there is a problem with the system, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!! Talk to YOUR Dodge County ELECTED officials! Tell them it needs to be manned ALL of the time, not just when it is convenient. The time of sitting around and posting on websites about your disapproval, fixes to problems has to come to an end.



WE as citizens and Tax Payers need to speak up and tell our RERESENATIVES, Council Members and whoever holds an elected office the thoughts of their constituents and hold each of them accountable.



Thanks for listening, let it fly.
CM
Jan 14, 2009 11:14 AM
What are the odds we are going to have a court house shooting ?
Now factor in what the odds are someone can slip something past THIS security ?
I think it is pretty obvious this is a waste of the tax payers money.
mma
Jan 14, 2009 11:17 AM
to Caesar:
Why wouldn't they be just as liable on the 2 1/2 days they don't have security?
scoop
Jan 14, 2009 12:19 PM
I think it's a good idea. Lots of strange things have happened in Fremont in the last few years.
Tired of Klingons-Used to be Sober
Jan 14, 2009 12:40 PM
Haven't you heard? Most of the terrorists have been laid off and the rest have had their hours reduced to 2 1/2 days per week. That makes Fremont a moron-infested, hillbilly backwater only half the time. The other half of the time it's a ranting, raving megalomaniac. (That's your cue)
freemoniker
Jan 14, 2009 12:46 PM
This is just another perfect example of how crooked peoples backs are most likely in this town and county.

Get some chiropractical experience!
V P
Jan 14, 2009 2:07 PM
Are you kidding me? I go to the courthouse a lot and I'm dang glad they have those people there and wish they were there everyday! Like someone said before, there are convicted criminals walking through those doors everyday. You never know who might snap one day and let loose on innocent people. And no, Fremont probably isn't on a terrorists top ten list, but that doesn't mean a crazy Fremonter (Wait, Fremont has crazy people?!) won't come in and do something to get their names in the local Tribune. It's for safety people, really. Get them going five days a week!
Tired of Morons Used To Be Bobo
Jan 14, 2009 6:02 PM
Thanks, Sober. I didn't know that. I feel half safer now.
dan
Jan 14, 2009 10:57 PM
Diane, for one thing if you were that observant you would see that the female you were so intent on bashing does not carry a weapon. If you were to ask her she would tell you that an arm in a sling or not she could do her job and defend herself and her partner or anyone else in the courthouse. Also on your observations did you know the difference between an employee or a joe off the street when they check bags? That would make a difference. How do you know she didn't observe the screen? I purposely went to the courthouse and got my drivers license renewal early just to see if you could observe decently from where you were sitting. Not a very good view to be criticizing someone for sure.
I believe this is a great thing for Dodge County and believe it or not all courthouses are going to a security system similiar. Lucky you all aren't in Platte County - they don't allow cell phones in the courthouse at all. What would do without your cell phones???
Do it right or not at all
Jan 15, 2009 1:18 AM
Typical Fremont style. They do just about everything in town half-way. If they didn't have the money to staff every day they should have considered other options. For someone who wants to just get their name in the paper, as some of you have suggested, it's not too difficult to look through the front doors to see if it's being staffed that day or not, and return on a day when it's not.

I'm not saying that having the security there isn't a good idea. But as I was always told, if you're not going to bother doing it the right way, don't bother doing it at all.
snap
Jan 15, 2009 7:10 AM
What if the guy snaps in the parking lot?
Andy Schnatz
Jan 15, 2009 9:00 AM
Someone said we should contact a County Board member and complain to them. Well did it do any good with the City Council with the illegal problem we have in town. They are more of a threat to the city and county then what happes at the court house. NO they just do what they want and never listen to the people. And you ask why I have lost fath in city Government
Rusty can Opener
Jan 15, 2009 9:40 AM
If I'm not mistaken I believe that there is a sign at the entrance that states you can only enter the courthouse with a weapon on days when the metal detector is being manned. That's why they don't have to be there all the time.
JKF
Feb 5, 2009 2:07 PM
I have worked Courthouse Security for 11 years for a Sheriff's Office. I have found all different weapons try to come into the courthouse. I have found a 5" hunting knife in a woman's purse, a stun gun capable of 950kv, switchblade inside a butane lighter. Most pocket knives are returned to the owner's vehicles. We man our doors 5 days a week. If court runs past normal quitting time, we stay.

If you drop or get rid of your security, who do you think will have a very large law suit on them when someone is stabbed? Ain't gonna be me!

Get the lead out and have the doors manned 5 days a week and the officers should be armed with full arrest capability.

Since the courthouse security people are the first and last ones seen by someone entering the courthouse, they might be the ones that the violent behavior is forced upon.
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