LETTER: Outsourcing has hurt America

By Kenneth D. Kappeler/Fremont
Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 - 11:03:01 am CDT

I recently read in a history book a quote of William Jennings Bryan that stated that "the brow of labor must not be passed down by a crown of thorns, and mankind should not be crucified upon a cross of gold." This was his sentiment in 1896, and I can’t see but what that is exactly what is happening now.

Labor unions are obviously necessary, but they too get out of line in some demands. An example of this was told to me by a union member "that if he worked on this birthday, he got double time, and if it coincided with a holiday, he got triple time."

This is an example of the "bones" union leaders throw to members who grumble about dues.

There should be some restructuring on this kind of foolishness.

We can see, however, that without unions the workers would be victimized more by management than they are now.

Management would do well to follow Henry Ford’s thinking. He wanted workers to be well paid, so they could afford to buy his products.

The auto workers union recently came under fire because they had a clause in their contract that laid-off workers were to be paid for several months. I have been told that the reasoning behind that was so management would not lay them off and outsource work overseas.

Of course, that brings up the problem our great country is being destroyed by. Outsourcing has destroyed jobs that our college grads should be having and a great many more workers. This begins in monopolizing a long time ago.

This is a large leak that has destroyed labor and consequently is lowering the standard of living in the United States. Importation of illegal aliens to cheapen labor is also contributing to it.

Mankind (especially United States citizens) are being "crucified on a cross of gold."

Don’t look to Congress to do anything about it. They sold out to management and the capitalists’ way back in the 1800s and things haven’t changed.

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fellow history buff
Jul 7, 2009 12:27 PM
While Bryan's 'Cross of Gold" speech referred to taking America off the gold standard for our currency, you are right in that like all great ideas, there is modern relevance. We don't hear too much of Nebraska's great populist tradition any more. It's good to read history. Perhaps then we are less likely to repeat it.
Brian
Jul 7, 2009 12:35 PM
Kenneth,
When William Jennings Bryan said his remark about being cruified on a cross of gold, he was refering to a debate on currency being backed by Gold or Silver precious metal for printing of money by the federal government. Not outsourcing jobs overseas. They ended up using both until the 1933 when FDR signed executive orders banning individual citizens from owning Gold.
Tired Of Morons Used To Be Bobo
Jul 7, 2009 10:39 PM
Hey, Kenny:
If Congress sold out back in the 1800's, why have we had and continue to have the highest standard of living in the world since then?
And don't forget, a high standard of living is not just measured in wages, but the cost of goods as well. Which outsourcing makes cheaper.
I'm much better off with a $14,000 Kia than a $19,000 Chevy.
Unions suck. And they're not "obviously necessary." Ask an air traffic controller. Or an Omaha taxpayer.
Don Atwell
Jul 8, 2009 9:53 AM
There is only one way to solve this problem. The American consumer must begin looking at where their manufactured goods come from instead of just the price tag.
scoop
Jul 8, 2009 12:16 PM
The USA doesn't have the highest standard of living in the world.Facts...just the facts...please!!
Nancy
Jul 9, 2009 1:26 PM
The sad thing is that the majority of companies we are bailing out are using loan money(taxpayers money) to pay overseas employees. I thought the idea behind the stimulus was to get Americans back to work and help our economy. I think it is awful that Congress & the Senate are not controlling this when offering these bailouts. Seems simple to me, if you want American money to bail your heinie out, the jobs must be in America. Simple. I also think that companies that are outsourcing cheap labor overseas or over the border should be heavily taxed to bring their products or services back here. Making it worth keeping the jobs here. I think these companies should also have to admit in their advertising they have outsourced. An example is Smithfield hams. They now have all their farms & animals in Mexico but on their TV ad with Paula Deen they talk about being a Southern company. The only part of their company still left here is a distribution center and offices. Which if called their customer service is in India. Our goverment needs to take a proactive stance against big business selling us out overseas.
fremonter
Jul 10, 2009 10:35 AM
if you stop and really think, something fremonters dont do because they wait to be told what to say and do, outsourcing is the fault of the unions and people that belong to them. i dont blame companies for moving overseas. i hope more of them do it just to clean out all of the unions in this country. no one is worth the money the, for instance, automakers get. no one is worth the money union plumbers, electricians, carpenters, or any other group gets today. companies as well as the public are getting sick and tired of paying the high wages, and paying high prices for goods and services. if any workers dont like the idea of unions being shutdown, then that right there tells us that all the workers care about is the big money and not quality or loyalty. and please dont give me the bull about how much better workers do when they belong to a union. thaqt is just a cop out.
Ex Fremonter Thankfully
Jul 10, 2009 1:07 PM
People please look back in history to why unions started! Do you really think employers treated people fairly? If they did unions would of never started. Union people make to much money? Really? Do you realize alot of non-union employers base their wages on union wages? Thankyou for buying a KIA instead of a chevy! People like you are what is making this country what it is. I worked for 16 years at Pendleton Woolens Mills, look what happened to us. Why wouldn't they go to Mexico, they make it there and send it back here for less that half the price.Then they sell it in the store for the same price! We didn't cause that because we were union! It was the greed of the employers to make more money! Thanks to NAFTA it was easy to move across the border. It wasn't free trade, we paid with for it with our jobs! We need to buy American made products Union or not!
fremonter
Jul 10, 2009 2:10 PM
to Ex Fremonter Thankfully:
and why, other than greed, did they leave? yes there is some greed involved but not much. are the trades worth all the money and benefits they get? NO NO NO. the companies are not going to lose money due to paying high wages and benefits, they will just pass it on to the consumer. and with all due respect to you, do you really think that a union would have kept that company here? if you think so then your very sadly mistaken. all a company has to do is to tell the union that they are no longer recognized and thats it. sure the unions can strike, and if they do the companies hire non union workers. many union people think they can do anything they want to and get away with it. this is another falsehood. do you really believe that a union is going to use all of its resources to fight for a few and risk losing a whole contract? i hardly think so. unions were needed way back when but now there are enough laws to protect the workers so the unions are not needed today. i would buy a kia or other foreign made vehicle over the junk that gm,ford, or chrysler makes. the overseas companies have pride in their work and therefore they make superior products. the products made in this country, for the most part, are junk.
Nancy
Jul 10, 2009 3:32 PM
To fremonter:
It isn't the unions you should be mad at it's the management. Tell why anyone in upper management is worth millions per year at the same time they lay off workers? Upper management greed is what is killing the job market in the USA, not unions. Until the idiot Ronnie Reagan started trying to do away with unions people were fine. Unions not only protected their living wage, but made sure working conditions were safe. Isn't it the least be odd to you that the republican president who did more financially for the upper one percent and less for the common man wanted unions done away with. We need to hold our government accountable for allowing companies to outsource and then sell back here at large profits. We need to take a proactive stance that if you cose to sent your companies overseas or over the border be prepared for large tax codes to get back in here. We should not reward the rats who are jumping ship for greedy purposes and then having the gall to ask the american citizens to bail them out. I still beleive in unions and I beleive in the choice.
Brian
Jul 10, 2009 6:46 PM
To NANCY & X Fremonter,
Dont blame Reagan for outsourcing jobs.
The seeds for outsourcing were planted during the late 70's energy crisis when Japanese Honda's & toyota's stomped Ford Pintos & AMC Gremlins. That showed the world that one did not have to trade quality for cheap labor. That was the Carter years. Secondly, I am currently reading a book by Liberal Democrat Chris Farrel (finacial author and NPR-- National Public Radio host) DEFLATION- and he states that the internet boom really took the brakes off of outsourcing jobs becuase it made communication and financial transfers far easier then ever before. I belive Liberals love to credit Clinton with the internet boom of the late 90s. (Yes people I DO read books written by Liberals. I diagree with them but I do see what they have to say.) NAFTA trade agreement signed by Clinton really pourd fuel to the cheap labor fire b/c American business now had to compete even harder with foreign cheaply made goods on our store shelves. the bottom line is Nacy & X-Fremonter is that the D's are just as much responisble as any R's for outsourcing of jobs. Dont swallow the BS about the D's caring for the underdog masses and the R's nothing but for evil rich monster execs. that is just D class war-fare propaganda that has been dumped onto society for generations. Mainly since the 60's but got its real start under FDR in the 1930s.
Nick B
Jul 11, 2009 4:15 PM
I THINK THE BIGGEST REASON COMPANIES MOVE OVER SEES IS THE CORPORATE TAX IN AMERICA IS THE SECOND HIGHEST IN THE WORLD. ADD THAT TO THE SPENDING CONGRESS HAS DONE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. NOT TO MENTION THE GM BANKRUPTCY THE GOVERNMENT HAD THERE HAND IN THE WHOLE TIME TO MAKE SURE THE UNIONS STILL GOT SPECIAL TREATMENT AND YOU HAVE A RECIPE FOR DISASTER. AFTER GM'S BANKRUPTCY THEY STILL WONT BE PROFITABLE DUE TO THE LEGACY COST'S THE UNIONS DIDN'T HAVE TO GIVE UP.

I THINK REAGON SAID IT BEST " GOVERNMENT IS NOT THE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM GOVERNMENT IS THE PROBLEM." LIKE REAGON OR NOT THOSE WORDS ARE VERY TRUE.
Tired of Morons Used To Be Bobo
Jul 11, 2009 7:11 PM
Hey, scoop:
in the context of the letter, yes, the USA has had the highest sol in the world since the 1800's. Maybe not now, but overall yes.
Tired of Fremont Used to Be Bobo
Jul 11, 2009 10:27 PM
The irony of the comments in pro of the blood-sucking unions is that the posters are on one hand are lamenting the plight of the "working class" (i.e. union workers) but it is this very same group of people that have made outsourcing the success that it is. They are the ones that made Sam Walton a billionaire several times over. They are the ones that made dollar stores ubiquitous. (Ubiquitous means they are found on every corner.)
You people need to Google "capitalism".
If you support unions, you are essentially a communist and a Moron. Union's only purpose are to funnel dues monies to the Democrats so they can advance their socialist agendas. I hate unions, and if you are a human being, you should too.
scoop
Jul 13, 2009 1:25 PM
Norway (=)
Iceland (↑ 5)
Australia (=)
Luxembourg (↑ 11)
Canada (↓ 1)
Sweden (↓ 4)
Switzerland (↑ 4)
Ireland (↑ 2)
Belgium (↓ 3)
United States

BOBO, I knew you would twist any info to prove your point.
Tex
Jul 13, 2009 2:48 PM
If it weren't for unions, we would still have sweat shops-pure and simple. They would work you as long as they like for as little as they like and you would do it because you would have no choice. Whether your company is union or not, it is the labor unions that have set a decent standard for workings folks in this country.
fremonter
Jul 13, 2009 4:04 PM
to tex:
your statements are so wrong. we have laws covering wages, working hours etc. wake up and see that your precious unions are all corrupt and causing a lot of companies to move out of this country. if i owned a business, and the unions were trying to stick it to me, i would close and move also. you union people are just so used to making the big bucks, and now that your unions are slowly fading away you just can seem to handle it. now, at last, your making what the majority make and you dont like it.
Brian
Jul 13, 2009 6:46 PM
Tex,
Yes Tex there was a time for labor unions. From the start of the industrial age around the time of the American war between the states until the 1970s. During that time the unions won many good things and worker safty and had their ideas passed into overall laws via DC politicians. However b/c of the laws on the books they have outlived their usefullness and now do more damage then good. They are just as much responsible for the demise of the Airline industry and big 3 automakers as bad management by executives.
Hickville
Jul 13, 2009 9:15 PM
Wow, Brian, for once I agree with you. I have read your posts and read your posts and do know you are a Republican and most times I think you are wrong, but this time, you are right.

Indeed, the unions had their place at one point and time and like tex, I do think they were needed, however, in this day and age, and quite frankly as all things seem to go, the unions now suck as much money as they can ... just like any other business. Because that is truly what it is.

In some ways it is sad that no one is "sticking up for" the American worker (I.E.: unions), in other ways, perhaps not. Isn't it our own fault for not sticking up for ourselves?

For not demanding more, for not "taking the risk" and quitting because we are tired of the low pay, etc.? As long as workers are WILLING to work for low wages (as many do now), then they are partially responsible. No one is putting a gun to your head, yes, of course, people NEED to survive, but it is up to all of us to figure out what we are willing to put up with. If us workers walk away, then what happens to the company? Union or no?

Greed runs amok, in business, in unions as well nowadays. It is for us "honest" workers to figure out how to navigate it.
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