LETTER: I'm tired of worrying about offending people

By Darrell M. Miller/Fremont
Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 - 10:46:02 am CDT

I would like to add to the articles from our readers by Jerry Hart and John Wiegert. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture.

Our culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom. We speak mainly English, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society or culture, learn our language and laws and use them.

Most Americans believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian’s principals founded this nation, and this is clearly documented, and appropriate to display on the walls of our schools and other buildings.

If God offends you, then I suggest you consider other parts of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture. We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours.

This is our country, our land and our lifestyle, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining and griping about our flag, our pledge, our Christian beliefs, or our way of life, I highly encourage you to take advantage of one other great American freedom, "the right to leave."

We didn’t force you to come here; you chose to come here, so accept the country you accepted.

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Becca
Jul 8, 2009 11:10 AM
I agree! My rights have been taken away to please the minority and I'm tired of it, too. God Bless America! And if you don't like it, leave!
Joseph P. Sokolovsky
Jul 8, 2009 1:32 PM
Great article....well written, down to earth, honest and there was no NAME CALLING.

I don't know Darrell M. Miller....
nevertheless, I hope those people who constantly resort to name calling to express their oppinion or to trash someone's point of view....I have a
suggestion....follow Darrell Miller's
example of stating your thoughts clearly
and with no NAME CAllING.

Thanks for listening and have a GREAT week...and enjoy John C. Fremont Days!
Fremont Atheist
Jul 8, 2009 2:48 PM
Mr. Miller:

You need to re-read your American History. When you do so, you will find that the United States of America was not founded on Christian principals, as you say in your letter. The First Amendment makes that quite clear!

Also, here are some quotes from our Founding Fathers. You can look them up if you don't believe me.

"Religions are all alike -- founded upon fables and mythologies" -Thomas Jefferson

"This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it"
-John Adams

Take away from Genesis the belief that Moses was the author, on which only the strange believe that it is the word of God has stood, and there remains nothing of Genesis but an anonymous book of stories, fables, and traditionary or invented absurdities, or of downright lies. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]

These statements are not just directed at the Church of England. The Founding Father's knew that they had to protect the new nation from religious leaders who wanted to impose their beliefs on everyone else.

I hope this letter did not offend anyone...
David
Jul 8, 2009 3:03 PM
"I imagine one of the reasons people cling to their hates so stubbornly is because they sense, once hate is gone, they will be forced to deal with pain."

James A. Baldwin
American novelist
Please do not be offended
Jul 8, 2009 3:11 PM
Mr. Miller,

I am sorry you are tired to trying not to offend anyone. Since, apparently, you won't be trying anymore, please don't take offense when someone doesn't agree with you. After all, they will just be following your example.

Oh, and Mr. Sokolovsky, please note there was no name calling in this comment; just disagreement on how we should treat people. You know, a little courtesy is a nice thing but some people (Mr. Miller, for one) simply aren't willing to try any longer.
FoOd FoR tHoUgHt
Jul 8, 2009 3:46 PM
So I have a question? If I chose to not go to a christian church I am being "Unamerican"? Because this is what In am assuming from your letter. While our country has a declaration of independence and all of our ammendments in it, you are using your right to freedom of speech, and that is perfectly understandable! But we also have a freedom of religion. However you take this I just want you to know that America is called "The Melting Pot" have you ever heard this statement. It means that WE, as a nation, are accepting of other cultures! And while i agree with your statement of if you come to america you need to accept our culture, but where did we get our so called "culture." America is based on IMMIGRANTS! As I am almost possitive your ancestors didn't orrigionally come from America, at one point someone in your ancestors came on a boat of some kind to this great country. How do you think they would feel about reading this letter that you wrote?
Don Atwell
Jul 8, 2009 4:25 PM
Not founded on Christian principles? hmm

“All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible.” Noah Webster

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." Jphn Adams

“God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel” Benjamin Franklin

"For my own part, I sincerely esteem it [the Constitution] a system which without the finger of God, never could have been suggested and agreed upon by such a diversity of interests." Alexander Hamilton
Jen
Jul 8, 2009 4:41 PM
"I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."
Thomas Jefferson

“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.” (excerpts are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the nations capital)
[Source: Merrill . D. Peterson, ed., Jefferson Writings, (New York: Literary Classics of the United States, Inc., 1984), Vol. IV, p. 289. From Jefferson’s Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, 1781.]

John Quincy Adams:
“Why is it that, next to the birthday of the Savior of the world, your most joyous and most venerated festival returns on this day [the Fourth of July]?" “Is it not that, in the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior? That it forms a leading event in the progress of the Gospel dispensation? Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer's mission upon earth? That it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity"?
--1837, at the age of 69, when he delivered a Fourth of July speech at Newburyport, Massachusetts.

Farewell Address, George Washington: "The name of American, which belongs to you, in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of Patriotism, more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion" ...and later: "...reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle..."
Rowan
Jul 8, 2009 4:55 PM
Mr. Miller

It is entirely possible to believe in God, without being Christian.
KMG
Jul 8, 2009 5:22 PM
Amen to the perfect letter!
dont worry about it
Jul 8, 2009 5:45 PM
Mr miller,
last time i checked Spanish is the second language in AMERICA.....and your right nobody enforces anyone to come here! but its a fact that not all humans like to be told what to do , how or where to live their lives.
John Doe
Jul 8, 2009 7:22 PM
Mr. Miller,
You say that people complain and that they should stop and if they dont like it then leave, but hasnt this whole town been complaining about all the different cultures in America. If you dont like it sir then i suggest that you start listening to our own words of wisdom.
Joe Everybody
Jul 8, 2009 7:38 PM
Our Constitution clearly defends the right to, freedom of religion, not from religion. This is a very common, yet major mistake many progressives make. The opinions of our Founding Fathers are just those, their personal opinions. The Constitution was drafted by a committee of the best minds from each of the States. No one mans point of view was favored over the others which is why are founding documents contain so many religious references. Christian Pilgrims settled in the America’s and that is indeed fact.
excuse me
Jul 8, 2009 11:02 PM
I just have one question? If america is so Christian and God fearing then where in the bible does it say that God created the borders and decided that people where not allowed to go and make a better life for their families? And this is a free country and some of the people that defended it where Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, etc, etc,etc. You have to give respect to earn it and be tolerant of Everyone regardless of the language they speak.
Don Atwell
Jul 9, 2009 4:44 AM
Excuse me; Romans 13
Andy Schnatz
Jul 9, 2009 5:39 AM
to excuse me
it also says God has created the Government and we must OBAY the Government And the Government created the laws which WE must obay
If you don't like what I say then don't listen. FREEDOM OF SPEACH
LovesIrony
Jul 9, 2009 9:51 AM
So, you are "tired of worrying about offending people." Just treat all with respect and you will not have to "worry".
Rachael
Jul 9, 2009 10:02 AM
No, you won't accept my beliefs, and I was born here. How many adults (people over 35, let's say) are really comfortable with alternative beliefs/lifestyles? The very fact that I'm agnostic offends and worries some people; the fact that some of my friends are gay offends those same people. THOSE are the people, the righteous and easily-offended, whose attitudes need to change.

Don't judge people by the color of their skin, where they came from, or who they are. Judge by what you know of them. The most responsible, hardest-working people I know are Mexican and I feel HORRIBLE about what they've had to go through around here.
Dude
Jul 9, 2009 10:48 AM
Rachael,
you say the hardest working, most responsible people you know are Mexicans. I debate that entirely. You seem to forget the area's surrounding Fremont are loaded with family farmers who bust their guts every day. Families who have been doing that for generations long before illegal aliens became an issue.
Don Atwell
Jul 9, 2009 11:58 AM
Belief does not change truth. Truth changes belief.
Hypocrites and Don Atwell
Jul 9, 2009 12:06 PM
I would guess 3/4 of you saying negative things about the LATINO Americans need to realize this. YOUR FAMILES SPOKE A FOREIGN LANGUAGE for 1 - 2 generations after settling here... and safe to say it took 1-2 generations of your family to fit in with the American Culture. So why do I specifically mention Don Atwell and his sister who is one of the leaders... Perhaps they should check into their own family history or check with their own relatives. One of them goes around town laughing about them...because their great great grandfather spoke German and he was a second generation American. So before you are quick to slam on the Latinos not fitting in and speaking the language... Look at your own heritage.

--
In closing quit complaining about the Latinos. If Fremont becomes 90% Latino so be it. You guys who want to stick up for the country need to look into the countries history… this country was formed with communities/settlements that spoke different languages for several generations. If you want to argue that go up to Prague you still will here Czech.

Scuhyler is to the Latinos now… what Prague was to the Czechs 50 years ago. If 10 years from Fremont is mostly Latino so be it… its what the founders of the country wanted to happen. READ YOUR OWN HISTORY AND THE COUNTRIES HISTORY BEFORE YOU WRITE DUMB STUFF ON THESE BOARDS
Unreal
Jul 9, 2009 12:19 PM
I have no problem with people who believe in the bible as long as they don't get preachy with me. Since I do not need a crutch in my life, I am an athiest. I do not believe there is an invisible man it the sky.

I do think the bible is one of the greatest stories of all time. Passed down from generation to generation. But if someone were to try and pass most of the stories in the bible as a story that occured today as being fact, that person would be laughed at.

In my opinion, religion is hypocritical. I think the message is good, love thy neighbor, do not kill, etc, but the fact is it's the number one reason for the cause of war. My god is better than your god. Really? How do you know? Maybe you are wrong and the other guy is right. That would mean you've been worshiping a false idol. Whoops!

One other thing. As you thank god for the gifts he has provided you, you should thank him for everything else, too. Thanks to god's will, you can thank him for Hitler. Thank him for the child abuse. Thank him for your friends and family passing too soon because of a terminal disease or accident. Thank him for all the terible things that have happened to you over the course of your life time. It's all part of 'his plan'.

That is why I don't believe. I believe in science. I beleive there were dinosaurs. I beleive that there is life somewhere else in this giant universe. I beleive in the good of the common person and I beleive in treating people with respect and beleiving in yourself is the best way to achieving your life goals. Not because someone 'willed' them to you.

I, in no way meant to offend anybody here. I just wanted to give a little insight through the eyes of an atheist. We are not devil worshipers, we just base our views on scientific facts. I know there are unexplained things out there, but people beleived the Earth was once flat. Sooner or later, an explaination can be found for everything.
Don Atwell
Jul 9, 2009 2:38 PM
Hypocrites and Don Atwell;
When have you heard me say anything negative about anyone? If you know of someone that I owe an apology to, please let me know. I'm not hard to find. You might want to learn my specific views before you lump me with anyone else so that you may criticize something that you know little or nothing about.

I don't believe I have ever complained about Latinos or any other racial or ethnic group. If I have, then I owe them an apology. Unless you can cite specific examples please don't waste readers' time with baseless accusations.

Unreal; Really, you don't want to be preached at? But you feel like you should preach at us. And I'm a hypocrite? You can believe whatever you wnat to, but as I've said in the past, belief doesn't change truth. Truth changes belief.
Freedom of Response
Jul 9, 2009 2:54 PM
Wow, these comments became one part Quotations from the 1700-1800's, one part theological discussion as it relates to politics, and one part he said she said.

My thoughts are this:

Mr. Miller your letter as succinct in your thoughts as it is... leaves itself open to the very same criticism that you freely give.

Those who are not of like mind also have the freedom to RESPOND that's their rights as Americans and they likewise may not care if they are offending you.

Those of you who are complaining about the CURRENT state of things are also afforded the ultimate freedom to leave.

Unfortunately this unwillingness to concern yourself with offending others will ultimately lead to a break down in communication. At the end of the day all of these people on both sides of this issue need to reach a solution that EVERYONE can agree on. Voting down the proposed ordinance didn't sate those on your side of the issue. Where if it had been voted in... would have met with a similar resolve. The ordinance in it's current incarnation will not be accepted by an overwhelming majority... if it goes to a vote... and by some chance it wins? It won't be by much. Likewise if it loses it likely won't lose by much.

The only way to FIX this mess is to start working together... which will not happen if we continue offending one another.

One More quote for you:

"All human situations have their inconveniences. We feel those of the present but neither see nor feel those of the future; and hence we often make troublesome changes without amendment, and frequently for the worse."

-Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)
Fremont Atheist
Jul 9, 2009 3:01 PM
Just to go on what Unreal was saying, I also believe in science and reason, as opposed to stories that cannot be proven. Also, atheist are not devil worshippers. We don't believe that the devil exist.

I was raised in a Christian home, but upon leaving and joining the Military I realized that religion does not make any sense what so ever. While in Iraq I saw some of the terrible things that religion gets people to do to eachother. (By the way, Christians, Muslims, and Jews all worship the same god, go figure)

There is a poster I saw hanging in a store once that put everything into perspective. It showed the New York Skyline with the Twin Towers present. Underneath the photo were John Lennon's lyrics "imagine a world without religion".

I hope my comments did not offend anyone.
Jim Savio
Jul 9, 2009 4:24 PM
Wow what a summer! Have read these in awhile, however I see that ignorance still runs rampant in the Fremont area, sad. Look at the constitution and read it. While you are at it look at the Bill of Rights and read it. These are the main cornerstones that form this great country FOR ALL OF US IMMIGRANTS! Maybe go to the Ellis Island archives and research how many criminals etc., were allowed into the country. How many changed there name for many reasons and why they settled in ethnic neighborhoods. If this is all to overwhelming many take a class at Metro in US studies-- get your facts and then write intelligently.
CW
Jul 9, 2009 6:05 PM
I agree with this letter 100%. I think it was well written and right to the point. It expressed the exact same way that I feel when it comes to this issue.

To all of you who want to find a reason to for negativity when you read this letter, I truly feel sorry for you. Mr. Miller wasn't telling anyone how to feel or what to believe he just expressed that he is sick and tired of worrying about offending someone when it comes to things like religion. I don't care what anyone believes but I ask that they not infringe on my right to believe what I believe. Everyone wants religion out of the schools and the government buildings. Is it really a big deal if the Ten Commandments are displayed in a court house? Does is really hurt anyone as they walk past? I think people just want a reason to complain, and I agree with Mr. Miller, it has gone too far.
Andy Schnatz
Jul 9, 2009 6:19 PM
To Unreal
Boy did you offend the people here.
The most important thing is that you stood up for what you beleave in and that is what counts. Thank you for being honest. That is more than most people here
IN GOD I TRUST
Jul 9, 2009 6:48 PM
unreal-
its obvious you never had a personal experience from the true GOD,but then again i dont expect you or others to understand.anyway---> ppl didn't think the world was flat "SCIENTIST" thought that.if you READ THE BIBLE you would see that it explains that the devil EXSIST!hes the one that causes all evil among us humans,but its the persons who chooses to do so. isn't it good to have that choice? some ppl rather kill,abuse,and some die because they choose not to eat right or stop smoking,ect....so why is it GODS fault? just try reading the bible,you might think twice about THE TRUE GOD AND WHO HE REALLY IS.
im a hard worker r u
Jul 9, 2009 7:23 PM
DUDE
your right about one thing the farmers do bust their guts.That's their way of paying their bills, food, ect...dont you bust your guts for your family? ok for example i go into a temp service in Fremont to find work a young white male comes in to also look for work. The receptionist says "there is work in HORMEL",the white male says "NO WAY THERE ARE TO MANY MEXICANS THERE".again i dont know about you but I will take any job that came to me no matter if it paid pennies it will put food on the table and pay my bills.i can imagine the white males family went without that week.But it shows most Mexicans DO WORK harder than the average AMERICAN.Most farmers hirer MEXICANS,why? because again they are hard workers!
Unreal
Jul 9, 2009 10:00 PM
This is what I'm talking about. I put my views out there, and I get the church crowd telling me I haven't 'experienced' god. How do you know what I have or have not endured in my lifetime? Have you dealt with greater tragedy than me? Unless you know me, you can't answer that, so don't put ignorant references about me in your posts. Because by your ideals, god or the devil have killed more that one of my close friends. No, they didn't smoke or drink. They passed from breast cancer and a brain tumor. Probably the result of one of god's great plans.

And are you really going to argue with science? Really? I suppose you don't believe dinosaurs roamed the earth at one point either, since they are not mentioned in the bible. Or maybe they were too big to fit on Noah's boat. I've seen dinosaur bones, but I have yet to see Noah or his Ark.

I cannot blindly follow an ideal that has no scientific facts to base it on. And I'm definately not going to blindly follow the church who houses and protects pedephiles and moves them from church to church to hide their scandalistic acts. Appearently the devil also likes to pose as a man of the cloth.
Mama
Jul 9, 2009 10:51 PM
On vacation recently in Texas I stood in line at an amusement park concession and realized I was the only white in the line. How interesting it was. There were families of Asian, African and Latino descent. Everyone there with their children, having a good time and being polite to each other. Fremont will have growing pains but hopefully someday we can also enjoy a diverse community and appreciate each other. By the way, watching the children in the hotel pool play together....children are just children, parents are just parents, all more alike than different. I think when you travel out of the state, it really opens your mind -- I highly recommend it!
Dodge County Iron Fist
Jul 10, 2009 3:52 AM
To IN GOD I TRUST:

Do you really think that you are going to convince an atheist that the devil, or god for that matter, exist by telling them to read the Bible? It is probably safe to assume that an atheist has written the Bible off and fiction. I know, I did a long time ago and I haven't looked back since.

I don't need the crutch of religion to tell me what is right and what is wrong. I also don't need religion trying to impose their fake science (intelligent design) into my daughter's classroom!

I look at religion as a very successful business. It has loyal customers who keep the money pouring in.
in GOD i trust
Jul 10, 2009 8:30 AM
to all that dont believe in GOD its clear your hearts are waxed cold! your backs are turned from GOD,but it doesn't bother me i just feel sorry for you.i just know one thing hatred on anyone is not from GOD that's a fact.... not science...anyway~GOD BLESS EVERYONE~
NonBeliever
Jul 10, 2009 8:55 AM
I believe that on the one dollar bill there is reference to God. I for one agree with this article, I am so tired of the Political Correctness. Learn how to take and give some in-correctness and we'll all get along fine. As per flags, the Unites States flag always always flies higher than any other flag when your on this soil. So next time I see another flag flying higher than the US Flag I am going to say and they aren't going to like.
Unreal
Jul 10, 2009 1:49 PM
to In God I Trust:

If I have a cold waxed heart for not beleiving in god, then does that mean you have blind vision because you believe in him? I would like to remind you that your god doesn't like you to judge other people, so I'm guessing he isn't appreciating the way you're referring to us non-believers. Not that it's being hypocritial or anything (sarcasm at it's finest).

Also. Hatred towards people does not come from god is a fact? What factual evidence do you have to support this theory? If you can't prove something, how can you say its a fact. Facts come from scientific evidence. I'm still waiting for an explaination on dinosaurs. A SCIENTIFIC FACT that beleivers choose to ignore because thier bible doesn't make any reference to them.
Dodge County Iron Fist
Jul 10, 2009 3:00 PM
If anything, I think that non-believers are the most tolerant and least offended people out of any group in Fremont. We know that we are in the buckle of the Bible Belt and any attempt to challenge the religious status quo that has been established here, will quickly be shot down.

Therefore I ignore the "under god" part of the pledge, "in god we trust" on our money, or Ten Commandments monuments that have been erected on public property. Like the one that sits on the northeast corner of Military Ave. and Lincoln.

I hope that one day people will not get so offended about viewing religion objectively and start to think for themselves. They will realize that they can adhere to basic common decency and common sense without relying on an invisible man in the sky.
Don Atwell
Jul 10, 2009 3:15 PM
Yeah, I didn't think so.
JK
Jul 10, 2009 3:32 PM
The only thing I have to say is most of you people need to do some research and figure out what exactly is meant by Freedom of Speech (not speach). Nowhere in the Constitution does it state you can say whatever you want whenever you want. It just says that the government cannot censor your private opinions.... so please learn reading comprehension.
Tired of Morons Used To Be Bobo
Jul 10, 2009 4:04 PM
I think most Fremonters are adherents to Mulletism: Freedom, love and justice for all-as long as the perfect racial balance is maintained-all pure, pasty white. With enough inbreeding thrown in just to keep the gene pool from branching out too far.
in GOD i trust
Jul 10, 2009 6:00 PM
unreal...
you are wrong the bible does to make reference on the "dinosaur" but in biblical term its called "dragons"...exsample...kjv(Isa.27-1)
...and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea."....(Ezek,29-3).."the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers,"...there are more mentioned in the book of revelations...if you'd like i can give you those as well,but i will not force this on you either i just thought i'd answer your question.
Don Atwell
Jul 10, 2009 6:20 PM
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." From the Declaraton of Independence.

For all of you that are so quick to distance themselves from any belief in God. You may want to consider the Declaration of Independence.

If there is no creator, according to this document, there can therefore be no unalienable rights.

Just a little food for thought.
Dude
Jul 10, 2009 6:31 PM
to ima hard worker are you,

YES I Bust my guts for my family!!! I am not going to deny that some farmers do hire latinos to work on thier farms. However that being said I grew up in a family farm environment. Not only the farm famliy I grew up in but also associated with family farmers in my small town area. So YES I know the work ethic required. With one exception in my area, the farms i grew up with and around did NOT hire labor outside of family regardless of race.
I am not going to deny the incident regarding the white guy at the temp service. But that was one guy. For that one guy there are many guys out there who are far willing to take ANY job they can get at a time of 9.5% unemployment in the nation. BTW you said YOUNG white male. you did not say how young. Maybe that guy was a young like late teens or early 20s with no dependents like college age living with his parents where he could afford to be picky for a job--Did he have a wedding ring on? An unemployed husband with children will be far more likely to grab a job than a 19 or 20 year old college kid living with mom & dad. So there are many things going into a job search. In my case if i were unemployed, a middle aged father of several kids I would grab the first and any job I could get and upgrade later when the oppertunity arrives.
im a hard worker r u
Jul 10, 2009 8:19 PM
dude....

I'm sorry to say but i dont ask ppl out of the blue,if their married,children,if he just got laid off ect.....but to answer your question he was in his late 30's and his wife with him.but the point I'm trying to make is that some "white" ppl here are racist.Again I'm not saying all "whites" are.I've never heard a MEXICAN say "i wont work there because there are to many whites" how do i know because I'm MEXICAN-AMERICAN,and i've work right beside them as well.they are hard workers just like me and yourself,work is work right? beggars cant be choosers..........
Just Another Guy
Jul 11, 2009 1:48 AM
It has been an honor reading everyone's thoughts on the subject of religion, freedom of speech, and politics. To me, it shows that people are strong in their values system and are willing to stand up for it and debate intelligently on the subject(s).

For the topic of freedom of speech: I firmly believe that freedom of speech has helped create this great nation that we live in. It is truly an opportunity to live in a place where we can openly debate these kinds of topics. While I agree with Mr. Miller that sometimes we are too sensitive to what people say (causing the political-correctness), it is important that we understand that that we have to take in just as much as we give out when it comes to how we are treated. Most people teach their kids the "Golden Rule" of 'Do unto others as you would have others do unto you' and I think this can be applied to our speech practices. If one chooses to be 'politically incorrect' they have to be able to take responses that are politically incorrect as well. I don't believe political correctness is something to worry ourselves over, but it should be something to be conscious of.

On the subject of religion: There are many debates going on as to whether America was founded on religious beliefs (many online articles and other published literature on the topic) but it is difficult to tell because there is solid evidence on both sides of the argument. I would like to point out that religion is different than being a believer. An individual (who is a non-believer) pointed out that religion is flawed and I couldn't agree more. Although I am a believer of God, religion is something that is interpreted by humans. Humans are not perfect and it results in flawed systems. However, science is not perfect either and it can not explain everything. While science can explain DNA, the weather and many other things/events, I believe that there is more to life. Science has provided each and every one of us a better life than we could've imagined, but it cannot explain love (Isn't it possible that there's more to love than 'similar interests'?), nor can science explain the parting of the Red Sea. I believe that there is a place for both science and Believers (in God) in the world, but there is a fine line in which we, as humans, choose our values.

Right now America is at a time when it can be frustrating due to lack of jobs, but it certainly could be much worse. In Nebraska, the unemployment rate is right around 5%, which is one of the lowest in the nation, so please be thankful that the situation is not as bad as it could be. In relation to 'Who is the harder worker', does it really matter? I agree that some farmers work tirelessly to provide, but I believe that some Hispanics do the same. In addition, isn't everyone in that boat? Who determines if one person works harder than another? There are lazy businesspeople in the world, but there are some very hardworking businesspeople out there as well. Generalizations about types of people simply do not work and I believe that we are mature enough people to know better. Oh, it is important to point out that the U.S.A. has no official language. Although English is dominant, there is nothing that states that English must be spoken to be a resident of our great country.

Once again, thank you for sharing your opinions and I hope you have enjoyed mine. Please continue to contribute your thoughts because it is thoughts that can turn into actions and actions that can result in change. I hope that we can all make a change for the better. Thank you for your time.
Dodge County Iron Fist
Jul 11, 2009 4:42 AM
I agree with: im a hard worker r u

I have heard many many mullets say “I’m not working there, there are too many Mexicans.” When I lived in West Point I remember a feed yard owner telling me that he liked his Hispanic workers hands down over his white workers. Why, they were all paid the same? He liked them because his Hispanic employees would go out in 100 degree heat or -5 degree cold and work on the yard without one complaint. The white workers on the other hand, would complain, gripe, and moan about everything. They also did not do as good of a job as the Hispanic employees.

Anti-immigration supporters say that illegal immigrants are taking entry level jobs away from the poor Americans that need them. Give me a break. You could give a mullet and an illegal immigrant from Mexico the same steady job and I guarantee the mullet will quit before the immigrant. Why, because mullets don’t like to work and immigrants do. It’s that simple.
Unreal
Jul 11, 2009 9:59 AM
to In god I trust:

Dragons? Sounds like the making of a great story. Here's another great story:

Genesis 30:37-39 (and you didn't think I've read the bible)

Basically the story is that Jacob gets his striped and spotted cattle taken away, and is left with solid color cattle. He does not like this, so he paints stripes on sticks and puts them into the ground. When the cattle breed, they see the sticks and ! They give birth to striped calfs.

This, of course, is scientifically not possible. There are a lot more ridiculous stories like this all through the bible. But I'll let you find them on your own. It's a funny thing how Christians thumb their nose at science when it goes against 'the good book'. It has always amazed me how religion gets to pick and choose what it wants to be fact.
Rachael
Jul 11, 2009 12:53 PM
"Endowed by their Creator." Well, that's pretty vague. I don't see any mention of a particular religion, or even a particular brand of thinking. Creator. Hmmm.
IN GOD I TRUST
Jul 11, 2009 3:37 PM
unreal...

the bible never twists the word of "GOD" ppl do.and it seems to me,you choose not understand it.maybe? doesn't matter it just proves YOU dont believe in GOD and i do! and its okay i can respect that and i wish you the best in life :)
~GOD BLESS YOU~
aps
Jul 12, 2009 12:27 PM
To in God we Trust
some people don't beleve in God but they are better Christans then the ones that do.Just look around.
Megan Nelson
Jul 13, 2009 6:01 AM
To Almost all who write on here.

I am amazed by how many people are displaying strong beliefs but do not attach your name to them. I think that if you truly believe what you are saying you won't be afraid to announce who you are.

This country is full of people fighting with in their own race, religion, and beliefs. You cannot imagine how many complaints there are for Domestic assaults and Child abuse (and I am not just speaking of blacks, and Mexican’s - most of the ones I have received are with the WHITE folks.) I do believe that we are a nation of immigrants - but we are legal immigrants. I don't care where you come from as long as you abide the law and try to be respectful! Really can we ask for more?

Stop complaining about the small stuff - it will all work out in the end. If not - we will be dead and it really won't matter.

I know some of you will disagree with me just because you can't help it... but dig deep inside and go out with a loved one instead. Show them you care. This is a much valuable way to spend your time!
no name
Jul 13, 2009 9:48 AM
To megan nelson,
The reason people do not use real names in posting is due to safty concerns.
Sometimes posts & replying comments cant get heated such as issues regarding politics and immigration. So if one used real names someone with a disagreeing ideals could look up names in a phone book or online and harrass/vandalize the homes and or businesses of said workers and workers themselves. Not to mention going after children of people posting at the schools or extracurricular activities. Remember, those protesting the AIG bonuses last Winter threatened the lives of the execs and their children at schools. So I find nothing wrong using no or fake names. Police cannot be evrywhere at onece and there are far more people then there are ploice. I am sure that most that post here would never go to that level of violence, but it only takes one nut case to pullsomething and its too late if someone is hurt or worse.
Wanda Kotas
Jul 13, 2009 2:57 PM
ToHypocrites and Don Atwell's post!

I'm delighted to know that you are so knowledgeable about my family tree. Could you tell me something about my father's side of the family? The fact that one grandfather spoke German is incorrect, his family did migrate from Germany however, but it is not a proven fact that he himself spoke German! Thank you for your input! I do know that they migrated here legally as well, purchased land which is still in our family as we speak. Have a great day!
Joseph P. Sokolovsky
Jul 13, 2009 3:06 PM
Thank you, Mr. Jim Savios for proving with your remarks that what you say about others is also applicable to yourself. Ignorants runs while...most
lack intelligence...that do not agree with you. You did,Jim,leave one word out of your coment that is at the root
of the disagreements in Fremont...and
that is the word illegal.

What you say about Ellis Island maybe very true...but it is not applicable to the illegal immigration of 2009.

Megan Nelson, thank you, you are 100% correct...if people are unable to muster the courage to attach their real name to their comments....then why should we take them seriously or even
read their comments?

I trust everyone enjoyed JCF DAYS....
and is looking forward to the near future when we can all vote on the immigration ordinance. Thanks for listening and have a GREAT week!!
Wow
Jul 13, 2009 4:15 PM
These comments are a hoot. I mean, a real hoot. Talk about myopia and fear-mongering. Have fun at your tea parties.
Dodge County Iron Fist
Jul 13, 2009 6:57 PM
The two reasons I do not use my real name:

1. It would affect my employment. (I'm sure all the other atheist who read these comments understand where I'm coming from)

2. I'm not going to compromise my family's safety.

I don't need any angry calls to my boss or anyone vandilizing my house or vehicles, because they don't like what I wrote. I also don't need any area religious people stopping by to try and convince me that god exist.
Andy Schnatz
Jul 13, 2009 9:38 PM
fear will never take my Freedom of Speech away. I know all of you do not agree with what I write and that is your right and I have never recieved any threating calls and you have my respect on that and thank you for allowing me one of my FREEDOMS
Trying2BPositive
Jul 14, 2009 11:12 AM
Re: the Letter written above...AMEN!
CM
Jul 15, 2009 1:30 AM
While I think our immigration laws should have been enforced and you really need to ask yourself WHY they where not, there is a bigger story here.
Hello they gave us Homeland Security..what the heck have they been doing, it sure wasn't protecting our borders...LOL

If you dig deeper and look at the root of the problem..think about it, when did
we see a increase in illegal aliens in this town ?
A few years after the government put Nafta into place. It became cheaper for Mexico to import corn into their country than it did for them to grow it.
Look it up..read the reports. We all but bankrupted the farmers down in Mexico.
Living like we do in a farming state, what do you think would happen to our econemy here in Nebraska if the farmers went belly up ?
I see the Hispanic people as just more victims of our government meddling and control. The rich keep getting richer and poor keep getting poorer, while the middle class slowly slips away and we can thank congress and the senate and we must not forget ourselves for being to lazy to take the time to know what is going on.

Want something else to think about...watch
"The Pentagons New Map" it is a lecture
given by Thomas Barnett
About midway in his lecture he talks about how not as many Hispanics are migrating to the US as they had planned. Hmmmm

Also Wikipedia Thomas Barnett to see what role he has played in our government.

I might also add he was the guy that did the March 2008 interview in Esquire with William Fox Fallon(At the time he was the Commander of the U.S. Central Command) the interview forced Fallon to resign because of his statements opposing military action against Iran.
Now we couldn't have that could we..and Thomas Barnett was the perfect man to out him.
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