Immigrant: I came looking for a good job

By Don Bowen/Fremont Tribune
Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 - 10:52:49 am CDT

Editor’s note: Today we wrap up a series of stories dealing with Fremont’s illegal immigration ordinance and issues as we near the one-year anniversary of the city council’s vote on a proposed law.

At 31, Armondo Martinez is looking forward to the American dream.

An immigrant from Mexico who became a United States citizen two years ago, Martinez said next year he wants to take the next step.

“I’m planning to buy a house,” he said, adding he currently is renting an apartment.

“I think it’s a good idea,” he said. “It’s money that you’re putting into something. You’re investing money. When you buy a house, you know, you have something there. If you sell it in 15 or 20 years, you know you’ll get something back.”

Martinez has worked at Hormel Foods Corp. in Fremont for

11 years after coming to the United States in 1994.

“Things in Mexico are kind of bad. I came to the U.S. looking for work,” he said. “I thought I would find a good job and better pay.”

It took some time, but said he finally landed a job at Hormel, where he has been working his way up from one job to a better job to his current job as forklift driver. But he said he’s still moving up, taking community college course work so that he can move into a position in the plant’s maintenance department.

But learning is something he’s been doing since he crossed the border.

“When I came here my English was bad, not even a word,” he said. “When I first started working here, I worked with two guys who didn’t speak a word of Spanish. I wanted to learn. I started picking up words. When I came home after work, I was always looking up words in the dictionary. Now, I do a little bit better.”

After living in Fremont for

14 years, Martinez said he’s never seen anything like the group of people trying to get a proposed ordinance that would ban the harboring and hiring of and renting to illegal immigrants to a vote in a special election.

“I think that these people are just being selfish,” he said. “We came here looking for a better life. Now that we are here, this is our country too. There are millions and millions of immigrants here. I don’t understand these people.”

When the group was circulating an initiative petition to get the proposed ordinance on the ballot, Martinez said it made him angry at first.

One day a few months ago when Martinez went to the post office in Fremont, he saw two men manning a table to get signatures for the petition.

“I went to look at the forms,” he said. “I didn’t say nothing. When I was looking at that, there was another guy who asked me what I think. I said I didn’t care. He said I’d better care. He said, ‘They want to get you guys out of here.’ He was a contractor and said all his employees were Hispanic. That made me feel sad. We didn’t come here to do bad stuff.”

Marisol Fernandez said she sees the immigration issue in the United States and in Fremont differently.

The 18-year-old recent Fremont High School graduate said she doesn’t understand why some local residents are prejudiced against immigrants.

“It doesn’t make sense,” she said. “Immigration is part of the history of the United States. Our ancestors came from different parts of the world.”

Fernandez was born in California after her parents immigrated from Mexico.

“Maybe you and I don’t consider ourselves immigrants because we were born here, but we all have ancestors who weren’t born here,” she said.

She said it seems to her that the proposed ordinance specifically targets Hispanics for one reason.

“If you look at the population of Fremont, most of the immigrants here are from South America or from Central America or from Mexico,” she said. “I have family in Mexico. I consider myself a Latino. But we’re all part of the Fremont community.”

Enrolled now at the University of Nebraska at Omaha with plans to become an optometrist, Fernandez said she understands that people have different opinions.

“I see things from a different perspective than other people may,” she said. “I think there are many people in Fremont who are really respectful. I’ve been treated equally. Because of where I work, I meet lots of different people of different ages.

“I just listen. In a way though, it does make me angry.”

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ICE ICE Baby
Jul 29, 2009 11:26 AM
Ok, so Armondo came to the US in 1994 and just became a US citizen 2 years ago?

That's 13 years in the US illegally unless you have a work visa, which wasn't mentioned in the story. I'll assume he had a work visa at one point and it expired as is the case with many illegals who have migrated to the US.

Just a side note, look at where Armondo has been working all this time.. HORMEL's...

I've heard stories from family and friends about Hormel. Where workers come in one day with a name/SS# and get rejected. Return the next day with a different name/SS# and are hired on the spot. Great job Hormel with your e-verify loopholes.

I'd just like to remind readers that this ordinance doesn't target any specific race. It targets all illegals from where ever they come from on the globe.

Thank you Armondo for working so diligently on learning the English language.
Diana
Jul 29, 2009 11:34 AM
People are not against LEGAL immigrants. It's the ILLEGAL immigrants of any nationality or race
that we oppose. Why won't they just become legal and the whole issue would be moot. Such a simple solution.
Confused
Jul 29, 2009 12:02 PM
I have been reading these articles for awhile now and I just don't understand how people do not understand that this issue is not with the LEGAL immigrants it is with the "ILLEGAL" ones. That is the issue. I do agree with Ice Baby, good joby Armondo on learning the language.
The key words that I see on the issue is legal vs illegal.
Jessica
Jul 29, 2009 1:10 PM
I don't think people fully understand the process of becoming a legal citizen of the United States. It is NOT a "simple solution." The entire process takes years, not to mention hundreds of dollars that most people cannot come up with overnight. Many current citizens take this for granted because they don't have to go through it. There is no simple solution to the immigration issue; it will not be fixed overnight, or with a single ordinance.
Carl Schaffner
Jul 29, 2009 1:23 PM
Good work Fremont Tribune, you found two more people that “hate” Fremont. When will you do a similar story on those you are back door slandering? I also find it hard to believe that two people, opposed to Illegal Immigration, could set up a table anywhere in this town without getting booted.

Personally, when I was attempting to get my name on the ballot for Mayor last Fall we had a group of anonymous people calling in complaints each time we set up a table. Groups of cars, sometimes 5 in a row would buzz our rallies shouting curse words in Spanish until someone assisting me would lose their temper and tell them to take a hike, only in more crass language. Not surprisingly the Fremont Tribune would get a post about my campaigns racism but not the profoundly insulting comment in Spanish that provoked them. I don’t speak Spanish but understand the implied threat when a vehicle skidded to a halt in front of my rally. During this incident a young man with a tattooed neck jumped out of a car full of youth threatening the welfare of a young lady holding one of my clip boards. I’m relating these experiences not to foment hatred but to end it. Stupid people come from all races and walks of life. Printing articles designed to whip up hatred is journalistically irresponsible.

Again notice that the term Illegal Immigrant and Immigrant are used interchangeably. The Ordinance is to control a lawless class within our town, Illegal Aliens. Our Nation is a melting pot of Immigrants. Two completely different groups of people in no way directly connected.
Nancy
Jul 29, 2009 1:44 PM
Why is it this article can't even distinguish between legal & illegal. I, as most people have no problem with a legal immigrant coming here for a better life but I do have a problem with the law breaking coward who sneaks over the fence and then claims entitlements that should be afforded ONLY Americans. I have a problem with no health care for US citizens but health care for illegals. This is not a racist issue, it is an issue of right and wrong and coming here under the cloak of night and then claiming rights is WRONG! When will the Tribune print a story of the illegals benefitting in Fremont? NO one has a problem with the legal immigrants IT'S THE ILLEGAL ONES we have a problem with!!!
Willbill
Jul 29, 2009 1:59 PM
“I think that these people are just being selfish…”

No, believing in the rule of law is not being selfish.

“The 18-year-old recent Fremont High School graduate said she doesn’t understand why some local residents are prejudiced against immigrants.”

We are not prejudice against immigrants. In Fact, we welcome all legal visitors and immigrates with open arms. However, we believe that those who are here illegally whether they come from Mexico, China, Ireland, Germany, Etc. shouldn’t be here and either should become legal aliens, leave the country, or be deported.

“Immigration is part of the history of the United States.”

So is the rule of law. We believe that anyone that immigrates to this country must respect or laws and our traditions. If they an alien is here illegally than they fail the first test.

The solution is mandatory e-verify for all for all persons seeking employment, housing, loans, and licenses.
Welcome Immigrants Federal Reform Needed
Jul 29, 2009 3:09 PM
Thank you Fremont Tribune for interviewing two recent immigrants who are citizens living, working and contributing (paying taxes through rent and sales tax, spending dollars in the economy which creates jobs)to the Fremont community.

It's important to remember that historically, almost every wave of immigrants in the U.S. has been met with some backlash of fear and racial hatred. (Irish, Italian, Catholic, Jews)

Question: Is Fremont's debate on the local ordinance an example of a backlash to the latest immigrants from South, Central America and Mexico?

I hope not. Or is this really a debate about whether to fix the immigration system at the federal or local levels?

I think we can all agree that our immigration system is broken; it needs to be fixed. I believe that no matter how frustrated we are with our federal representatives - this system can only be fixed at the national level. (See U.S. Constitution and federal law that outlines federal responsibility for enforcing immigration; local solutions can provide only a piece-meal attempt, utilizing local dollars...and we end up without a solution and Swiss cheese.)

This is current law: there are 3 ways to immigrate to the U.S. LEGALLY: 1) have a high skill; 2) have a family member in the U.S.; 3) be a refugee. Oops! Our legal immigration system forgot someone important to our economy: low-skilled workers.

You can't LEGALLY immigrate to the U.S. if you are a low-skill worker; and yet the U.S. NEEDS low-skill workers (meat processing, picking lettuce, gardening flowers, etc.).

So, what do we do? Our federal laws have not kept pace with our economic needs.

No one supports illegal immigration. No one supports breaking the law.
No one supports "enabling" law breakers. We all support the rule of law.

Now, how can we reform the immigration law to adequately meet our economic needs - taking into account our current use of low-skilled workers, the aging of the population and U.S. workers' needs?
Mark
Jul 29, 2009 3:24 PM
Welcome to the United State Armando! This country needs more people like you. People who are willing to take the low paying jobs and work their way up the ladder. I hope you get your house.
As far as illegal immigrants go, it was Ronald Reagan who opened the borders back in the 80's as part of his goal to kill the middle class. A great president indeed!
True American
Jul 29, 2009 3:34 PM
Americans are not against mmigrants. WE ARE AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
If you come here legally, that's fine, but if you are here illegally, you have to leave. Think for a moment what happens to Americans who enter other counties illegally. Bad things. Jail for years or even death. Thank God we don't do the same.
If you want you come here, then do legally and obey our laws or STAY AWAY
Bryan
Jul 29, 2009 4:03 PM
We are being selfish or racist? Ok lets get to the facts here! An illegal immigrant is technically a criminal! They cross the border illegally, obtain false or stolen identities, Or they just let there work visa expire! Then they never renew it and take advantage of our system by taking welfare, using the emergency room as there Dr's office. These things are just not right cause tax paying citizens have to pay for all this cause you dont!
Now to anyone who has legally obtained there citzenship, Congratulations! I am proud of you doing so and feel you have done the right thing! Yes it takes time and costs you some money, but things take time for us every day and take time for us to get it done right! You should encourage your encourage your freinds and family to do the same if they're here!
Facts are facts! Illegal is Illegal! If you speed, you get a ticket! If you steal, you can go to jail and have fines! If you are in a country Illegally, well you should be punished for it and sent back to your country of origin! Not rewarded by letting you stay! Do you take a shoplifter and slap there hands after they were cought stealing then sit them down at the police station and tell them "Here is all the things you attempted to steal! They are yours to keep now and we are going to give you more assistance for stealing them things! Your free to go!" I dont think so! So why should they get away with the crime of being in this country illegally? Right and wrong dont pic circumstances!!!
CW
Jul 29, 2009 4:04 PM
There are some really great replies to this article here. I am glad that some of the people in our community have some common sense.

I dont know how many times I have posted this but I will post it again.

My great grandfather came to the US from Mexico. He did it legally. He took night classes to learn English, he REFUSED to speak Spanish to his children. He felt he was in America now and that his children should speak the language of the land. He worked hard his entire life, and did it honestly and legally. He didnt steal a SS# or lie about who he was. My great grandfather was a poor man when he first came here, but he still somehow found a way to pay any fees needed to become a citizen of this country. He was a good respectable man and he will be missed. My family on my mothers side are ALL of Mexican descent. I do not glare with anger at the Latino community here in Fremont. I do not hate people who are not white. I embrace my roots. Having said all of that, I would like to also say this.... I have a real problem with those who break the law and come here illegally. My great grandfather did it, why can't others do the same? I hear bleeding hearts like Jessica complaining that its hard and costly to become a citizen. Not everything in life is easy. If you want something you should have to work hard to get it. It's more rewarding when you do things the right way and follow the rules. However, it is much easier to do it the quick way ... the easy way. Crossing the border illegally makes it so they dont have to work hard to get what they desire. Once they are here the liberals invite these people in with open arms. I bet they would all be singing a very different tune if it was their identity that was stolen.

You want to know what I don't understand? Why the heck anyone is defending someone who BROKE THE EFFIN LAW?!?!?! Anyone care to explain that to me?
Get em outta here
Jul 29, 2009 4:26 PM
Because you are not an immigrant unless you come here with the intention of becoming a citizen! Until that point you aren ILLEGAL!!!! What is so hard to understand about that. Ice Ice Baby mentioned Hormel and SS numbers, what about those with no health insurance. One day they bring in id and an ins card that gets denied, the next day they have another card and id, magically it's accepted. It erks me like you would not believe but my employer is only worried about getting paid so nothing is done.
Bobo
Jul 29, 2009 5:20 PM
Hey, Carl:
Make that 3 people.
And why does it matter that the threat-maker had a tattooed neck? Or maybe he WAS a tattooed Neck. And would the insult have made you feel less offended if it were made in English instead of Spanish?
Come on, amnesty.
Bob
Jul 29, 2009 5:36 PM
In my opinion, we should be outraged at our government and our employers. They allow this to happen and its on them. I commend the person whom the article is written about because this person is a citizen and seems to be a productive citizen.

For those that came over here illegally, I have to commend them also because I am sure that they are coming over here to make things better for their family, which is a sacrifice that many of us would make if it meant a better life for our family.

For me, I do not hate on anyone who came over here legally or illegally. But, I do strongly disagree with how the government deals with it and I don't understand why it is dealt with in this way.
Please Think
Jul 29, 2009 5:52 PM
And, if you pass a law that is unconstitutional, it is ILLEGAL! Please put your thinking caps on, people.

It's NOT either/or. If you think that way - you're stuck: either you are against the ordinance = you "enable" law breakers OR you are supportive of the ordinance = you are a law breaker (unconstitutional law = illegal and unenforceable.) Life is more complicated. Hummmm, maybe we should change the law at the federal level - you know, where immigration law has been written and implemented for 200+ years.

Now, some say that if you are here without legal permission, you are a criminal. No, read the law. Come on folks, it's been written on these pages for a year that such an act is a CIVIL act, not criminal. (Doesn't say much for our ara school systems, does it.)

Often, when people come here without documentation to work - it's because they can't get here legally...the system is broken. (It's not because they want to break the law.) You say, good. Well then, be prepared for your vegetables, flowers, meat, and chicken to increase in price, greatly.

Let only X-number of low-skilled workers (according to economic needs) come here legally, continue to support increased border enforcement, and you solve the problems of document fraud and driving without a license or insurance.

I'm also getting tired of people having to write again and again about how the system to become a citizen really works. It's long, costs lots of money, and is filled with government hoops to jump. That may all be well and good. But, it's important to note that someone can't just decide to become and citizen and go to the local post office and sign a piece of paper. Nope, you have to petition for citizenship, it takes years depending on your status and the line you are in. If you don't have documentation, you have to go out of the country, wait 10 years and then petition to come back in. It's important to know the system you are talking about.
Jose
Jul 29, 2009 7:07 PM
If fremont citizens are so concerned about peoples immigritation status why not try to solve the problem where evrybody has a benifit yea gettin tehm out of here sounds like the most american way to do it... but that is not the solution why not help them set up some type of system where u can register to be at least in some type of system like the rest of US citizens, obviously keeping out illegal immigrants is not workin so why not try and help them
Andy Schnatz
Jul 29, 2009 7:15 PM
to CW
because they are stupid and have their head in the sand and are bleeding hearts. They have NO IDEA how the system works or care.
so, so sad
Area native
Jul 29, 2009 8:34 PM
To Carl: The Tribune is not trying to stir up hatred in the community with this series. It is trying to explore and report on this critical issue in the community, which is the role of any newspaper. Kudos to the Tribune for showing readers how one immigrant eventually became a legal citizen and how one Hispanic woman views immigration.
Wake Up
Jul 29, 2009 9:08 PM
Ok let's just forget about the Legal/Illegal imigration situation here for one second. The fact is in our country (THE USA) to become employed you have to have a Social Security Number. So lets think of it this way. For an ILLEGAL imigrant to get a social securtiy number it would have to be by what kind of means. I don't know maybe IDENTITY THEFT. Whats that, couldn't be that would be ILLEGAL, and they are not here to do anything ILLEGAL, right! That would make them CRIMINALS, and anyone who harbored them, aider's and bedder's, also a criminal act.
If you sit down and think about that, then also think about this. By being able to change identities as easy as I can change my underwear, it makes it hard for law enforcement to actually know who he/she is dealing with. You don't know, they could be a child molester, a raper, a murderer, who knows they can move and change their names like it was nothing. So think about that.
Ok the one second is over, now back to reality. ALL of our ancestor were immigrants (Note the word immigrant and not illegal immigrant). They came to this country for a better life. Right. The difference is they did it LEGALLY. Times have changed alot since those days making it harder to become a citizen as it use to be, but it doesn't give ANYONE the right to assume someone else's identity for employment or any other reason. If you or I did that we would end up in jail. Correct.
So I don't see why there is a debate about this at all. Anyone who opposes it is saying that it is okay to be a criminal. It's okay to just disobey all the rules and laws of our country.
Legal/Illegal immigrants are just words it is the actions which they have done to be where they are that the people don't like anymore and are tired of our GOVERNMENT tolerating.
SO WAKE UP AMERICA
scoop
Jul 29, 2009 10:04 PM
To welcome Immigrants,
Thank you for calling me low skilled ,I am in the gardening flowering unskilled occupation as you have labeled it.I think you might have meant to say landscaping ,l-a-n-d-s-c-a-p-i-n-g,once again that's landscaping laborer. Better luck next time at trying to make your point!
Emma
Jul 29, 2009 11:23 PM
Do you really think that people who are here illegally don't want to get legal it takes thousands of dollars and can seperate families at the same time. It's not like it was years ago when you got off a boat in New York and were asked "What's your name?"
Brian
Jul 30, 2009 12:33 AM
Local residents are not against immigrants. We are against ILLEGAL immigrants. Get that through your head. You are here illegaly, you are breaking the law. Come to this country the right way with a visa
Carl Schaffner
Jul 30, 2009 12:51 AM
Our “Immigration Laws” are near perfect as is. What needs to be addressed is how we, as a society, are going to police persons illegally in the United States collectively known as Illegal Aliens (Immigrants). Immigrants aren’t Illegal Aliens (Immigrants). Interchanging the terms is intellectually dishonest.

If you really need to ask why someone with tattoos COVERING their neck is of interest you obviously don’t know the first thing about Illegal Aliens and Drug Gangs. Large obvious, often facial, neck or torso tattoos are most commonly the calling card of ruthless gangs like MS-13. Other gangs now emulate this very distinctive way of identification. These tattoos are unique and striking because they usually include the gang name or “sign” which set them apart for people fascinated with “Body Art”. I’m by no means an expert on the matter but know enough from watching the evening news to be very concerned.

I’m not sure how to address some of the more bizarre comment made however calling any woman a prostitute in whatever language should be equally offensive. I don’t speak Spanish but friends that do related the intense hatred and degrading nature of the slurs to me. You can ask legal scholars but threatening someone’s life, regardless of dialect, is Illegal.
Jen
Jul 30, 2009 2:37 AM
Don't you all feel bad now? I agree that there is no distinction made between immigrants and illegal aliens by the Tribune and the reporting on the issue has gotten to be insultingly one sided. Another thing that has become tiresome is the continuous pointless lambasting of Fremont by a couple of people that the editor never fails to indulge so I'm inclined to wonder if the editor doesn't share these views of the community. Is the purpose of these message boards actual debate or is it just a means drive home an agenda?
Brian L
Jul 30, 2009 5:24 AM
I am glad I left America
fremonter
Jul 30, 2009 8:42 AM
well boo hoo. legal or illegal we dont want or need any more. the bleeding hearts of this country are so concerned for the immigrants and not their own. i say close the borders, send all the illegals back and take whatever means necessary to keep our borders closed. if this is done, the problems will be taken care of. very simple huh? but al long as we have all these bleeding hearts feeling sorry for these people, the problem will just get worse. again boo hoo to those who came here for the american dream. why dont they go to canada or anywhere else. its because they know they can get away with it thanks to those who allow it to happen. oh yea and by the way, if you have to be here "SPEAK ENGLISH"
Carl Schaffner
Jul 30, 2009 10:19 AM
I posted this yesterday a on an active blog and oddly the entire debate disappeared. Is the Paper steering the debate, you decide.

If the law really is the law then why aren’t we voting on the Ordinance since that is the law? Interesting! The Ordinance unlawfully tabled by the Fremont City Council is likely very legal since many similar Ordinances have been upheld in several States and numerous Cities.

Immigration isn’t mentioned in the United States Constitution. Immigration law is set forth in US Codes. There are a few laws that deal specifically with ILLEGAL Immigration such as Title 8 of the US Code section 1324a which, in addition, lack necessary enforcement mechanisms. More interesting still is the very slim volume of legal decisions that could support a successful legal challenge of our Ordinance. The first real test case specifically addressing the issue of Illegal Workers, that I can find, is the Supreme Court’s De Canas v Bica case of 1976, the opinion being written by Justice Brennan. While the Court upheld the Supremacy of the Federal Government it did place 3 thresholds on Congress before they could preempt State Affairs. In a huge non-legal minded nutshell these State’s rights are Safety, Employment & the right to Police.

I’m sure many will wish to weigh in on my understanding of this one however; Article 1 Section 9 (1) of the US Constitution is under powers FORBIDDEN to the Congress and pertains to importation and taxation of “Persons” that I assume, by the verbiage, to be Slaves. This item was included in the original Constitution to prevent Congress from interfering with Slave State and was written to expire in 1808. Again I find it interesting how those wishing to profit from unskilled labor use the same arguments that tore our Nation apart for 4 bloody years from 1861-1865. The South bellowed that without unskilled labor there would be no one to work the Plantations. An argument we hear in this Newspapers blogs, insert packing house, roofing, etc.
Tracy Buffington Tribune editor
Jul 30, 2009 10:47 AM
Mr. Schaffner,

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Amazed
Jul 30, 2009 11:28 AM
I totally understand that immigrants want to come to the U.S. for a better way of life. Heck, that's what my ancestors did when they came from Europe (Czechoslovakia, to be exact). But they did it LEGALLY. They didn't know the English language very well at all, either. They struggled.

If people today would only come to the U.S. and Fremont LEGALLY, I don't think there would be so much animosity or discussion. Is it too much to ask that people abide by the law?

Immigrants need to become U.S. citizens and make an effort to learn and speak the English language. If that's too much bother, think about how bad it is where they came from. It's a small price to pay for the freedoms the rest of us Americans enjoy.
melissa
Jul 30, 2009 1:10 PM
i just think thw white people talk becasue they dont know how hard it is to get legalize here in the us it takes alot of work its not easy but yet the whites can go down to mexico and have nothin to worry about come on give me a break frmont is becoming FREAKMONT because of this stupid thing let the people work how ever they want to eork they are still pying taxes!!! I hope more mexicans come to the USA
What
Jul 30, 2009 1:14 PM
First to the 18 year old girl mentioned in the article - Until you have been out in the world for awhile and understand how it works and will affect you and the money you will be making, you may want to holster you comments a bit. As soon as over priced medical bills driven up by a health care system that caters to illegal’s who are not contributing the funds to support the system start coming in your mail, then you can say what ever you want. These illegal’s who are not paying health or car insurance, don’t have driver’s licenses, and can’t speak a lick of English are doing nothing but putting people in danger, both physically and financially. They are in essence hindering the progress of the United States with their inability to conform. They skate the system and complain when the people who support the system want them to contribute, or leave. You will understand someday if one of these uninsured people that you are sticking up for decides to run you over with a car some day.

Secondly to Armando, let’s talk awhile about all of the violence and gang related activity that your people have brought to our country. You seriously expect us to want you here when Hispanic gangs make up the majority of the gangs in the US. From my point of view I see a race that takes advantage of a situation because they couldn’t pull it together back home. All you hear about Mexico in the news is about all of the violence, guns, drugs and gangs and now it is all coming here. Great, like the US needed to take one more set of troublesome foster children. We can talk about “illegals” but let’s face it; Hispanics make up the biggest percent of the problem. You want to be accepted, then conform. Don’t force your culture and your language down the throats of people whose ancestors were here long before yours. Try parking your car on the street instead of your yard. Pay health and car insurance. Keep your kids from running in packs and terrorizing people. Do the things it takes to earn respect, because I will guarantee it will need to be earned and not given. I acknowledge the fact that you know English now and appreciate it, so now try teaching it to everyone in my neighborhood and we will be getting somewhere.
Jen
Jul 30, 2009 2:57 PM
Perhaps the Tribune in the interest of balance could run a series on immigration laws in Mexico and contrast them to what is being allowed to happen in the United States. In Mexico you are not allowed to own property, you'll never be allowed to work a government job such as a police officer or a fire fighter and if you live there you can't show up with empty pockets and no skill in a trade. For Armondo Martinez to say the petitioners are being selfish take extreme gall in light of this. He says, quote: "Now that we are here, this is our country too." If he is talking about people who are now naturalized citizens he is correct, if he's referring to illegal aliens having a stake in this country by virtue of skirting the border then this is the second boneheaded statement he has made that has gone unchallenged by the interviewer. Some honest journalism would be a refreshing change
Wendy
Jul 30, 2009 3:08 PM
ICE ICE BABY....As someone who personally knows Armondo && his family, the reason he became a citizen 2 years ago, instead of 13, is thats the approximate amount of time for everything to go through and become finalized. He && and his family had started the procedure from the start. There are way too many steps do follow and does not happen in a short period of time.

CONGRATULATIONS Armondo!!!!
californian
Jul 30, 2009 3:40 PM
Melissa, you give me a break. The "whites" have nothing to worry about in Mexico? I live in CA so I and friends have gone to Mexico several times. I doubt if we'll go again. Tijuana, forget it. Too many pickpockets and thiefs and even the once nice resorts are not safe. I see why Mexicans want to come here. The gangs have taken over what once were nice places in Mexico. Do I need to mention the drug cartels in Mexico and who are now spilling over into the US. Also, not every Mexican is paying taxes. I work in HR. Here are some conversations I have had when hiring: Sir, your SS# is shared with someone else......OK, I can bring another one in or And I love this. I paid $25 for it. It has to be good. It is a fact that CA has spent billions of dollars last year on welfare, ie food stamps for illegals. Now the GOV has had to balance the budget by cutting back on welfare that is needed and should go to our taxpayers that have become down and out in this difficult economy. I am beginning to believe the Liberals are hoping to get reelected by keeping the Mexicans happy. I am seeing more and more about accidents, traffice violations in NE (Fremont)regarding Mexicans with no drivers license and insurance. This happens everyday in CA. I sincerely hope no one is hurt or worse killed becuase there will be no insurance to recover for Medical.
Armondo, I commend you. You should be proud and hold your head up high. You became a citizen the right way. I'm sure it was not easy.
Bobo
Jul 30, 2009 3:47 PM
Hey, Jen:
Speaking of ignorant comments, you're wrong when you say foreigners can't own property. You might be thinking of property near borders or the coasts, where land is held in a trust. But inland, no problem. And why would any foreigner want a job as a policeman in Mexico anyway? Or any job, for that matter? The pay sucks. That's why they're here. And that's why the police are corrupt. But you can own and run a business.
rob
Jul 30, 2009 4:30 PM
so it ok if i break the law in some other contry is that what you r sayin if anyboby can come here with out bein legal than y do we have laws
jennifer
Jul 30, 2009 8:39 PM
My ancestors came from Germany and I'm for sure alot of your ancestors came from another country. I have friends in Fremont that are from different parts of the world until you live in their shoes don't judge. It's suppose to be not just latinos but to me it looks like they're the target. Alot of them do speak English but when their with friends and family they prefer their native tongue. Stop the HATE and enbrace the difference
Ryan
Jul 31, 2009 12:53 AM
Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free!! Grow up fremont and america, we all imagrated here. Treat those the way you like them to treat you!
mkalaw
Jul 31, 2009 5:01 AM
When will ICE be stopping at Hormel? Please forward these stories to our city council members who will not let the citizens of Fremont vote on the ordiance. Will Hormel help pay for the extra expense of educating and feeding these illegal immigrant? Will they pay for all the extra translators that are neeeded for all the illegal immigrants?
Andy Schnatz
Jul 31, 2009 5:45 AM
reading the blogs, you people are beyond beleaf how ignorant are you.
WE ARE NOT AGAINST THE IMMAGRANTS THAT COME HERE WE ARE AGAINST THE ILLEGALS.
AND THEY ARE NOT IMMAGRANTS
there is NO such thing as a illegal immagrant and never will be.

IMMAGRANTS WELCOME--ILLEGALS STAY OUT
Disturbed
Jul 31, 2009 7:41 AM
Why are the people of Fremont so angry? I will tell you! Because the majority in this town are seething with sexism and racism. Wake up Fremont. Your attitudes are dispicable. You make me sick.
Johnny Ducati
Jul 31, 2009 9:33 AM
Hey Disturbed..."Lighten up, Francis!" I'm not quite sure why you want to generalize and assume That all "the people of Fremont are so angry" and the majority in town are "seething with sexism and racism". Even though, as residents of Fremont, one cannot help but be affected by the "immigrant/illegal immigrant issue", without taking sides to a no-win situation, it has become increasingly apparent that when an individual steps up and raises some challenges to some legitimate issues, when the other side doesn't particularly agree with the solution, then the individual is labeled a racist. I'm not sure why, when an individual is raising concerns in a matter in total accordance of the boundries of the law, that this act makes them a racist. It is somewhat reflective of the general tactics of one former legislature member by the name of Ernie Chambers: "when you can't bully them into thinking your way, call them a racist...then they'll back down". Welcome back, Ernie.
Carl Schaffner
Jul 31, 2009 11:19 AM
“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free!! Grow up Fremont and America, we all immigrated here. Treat those the way you like them to treat you!” This is how Ryan, as well as other “Enablers”, see the issue of which group will end up with the authority to police our City. Will it be dishonest businessmen looking to shave a buck or two off costs by importing a Slave class of labor or the respectful law-abiding citizens of our community?

Ryan, no where does it say on Liberty Island, “Give me your tax cheats, drug lords and criminal class yearning for another pool of willing victims”. Those that support the Ordinance are doing just as you requested; treating other the way we ourselves are treated.
Myths AssumptionsCredible Facts
Jul 31, 2009 12:14 PM
Myths, speculation and assumptions can do harm. Stop. Read. Get the facts. Check the studies.

1) "They are invading Fremont" - No, there is no invasion in Fremont; Fremont's popluation has been very steady.

Instead of assumptions driven by fear or lack of knowledge, let's look at some credible facts: (if you have other credible facts, please share them.)

The number of foreign born in Fremont has risen from 3% of population (2000) to 4% (2007). Total in 2007 = 1,035 people. (U.S. Census)

U.S. Census count includes: naturalized citizens, lawful permanent residents (green card), temporary migrants (students), refugees and people illegally present. Census "estimates" the number of illegal people, taking into account the fact that some may not want to be counted.

Our nation's best guess: in 2007, there are 1,035 people living in Fremont who were not citizens at birth. (In 2000, there were 760 people.)

Now this may feel like an "invasion" of immigrants as our town's White population has gone from 95% to 93%. But, the credible facts that this is not an "invasion" but a relatively small change in a small town.

Moving from 95% White to 93%...maybe that's the problem, the fear.

2) Myth: "Immigrants (legal and illegal) are draining the community." No. Let's look at some credible facts: Immigrants (legal and illegal) PAY TAXES (property, sales, income, social security).

Alan Greenspan, former Federal Reserve Board Chair, testified before Congress: "There are great misperceptions that immigrants (legal and illegal) are a drain on our economy, but many studies have confirmed the opposite is true."

Immigrants in Nebraska paid more in taxes than used in services in 2006. (Avg. immigrant paid $1,554 in sales, income and property taxes and used $1,455 in services. Avg. native born used $1,941 in services). UNO, "Nebraska's Immigrant Population: Economic and Fiscal Impact," 2008.

Locally, our Fremont Area Medical Center has not been overwhelmed with charity care. The President and CEO reported that over the past 7 years, the amount the "Charity Care" remained steady at 1% Gross Charges. "Bad Debts" has slowly grown from 1.3% Gross Charges in 2001 to 2.2% in 2008.

Then of course there is the law: federal law bars immigrants from food stamps and bars welfare related benefits for 5 years to those with a green card. And then the state just passed a law that requires
that a person's legal status be confirmed prior to receiving any public assistance. This on top of federal law.

Just two myths - credible facts offered to replace fear and lack of knowledge.

So what exactly is the problem many are so concerned with...??
So Whats the Problem
Jul 31, 2009 12:59 PM
You're not against legal immigrants. You are against ILLEGAL immigrants. Ok, so what's the problem with illegal immigrants?

I haven't seen any factual evidence offered which proves a specific negative problem as a result of even one illegal immigrant living in Fremont Nebraska.

I support the rule of law. But obviously, this law is broken.

There is NO WAY TO LEGALLY COME TO THE U.S. IF YOU ARE A "LOW-SKILL" WORKER - and yet we've got help wanted signs out all over - we need the workers.

Some say ENFORCEMENT is the problem - but I ask, how much money are you willing to spend?

The federal budget for U.S. Border Patrol has been increased by 332% between FY 1993 and FY 2006. The U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP)had a budget of $6 billion in FY 2004 which grew to $9.3 billion in FY 2008. The budget of ICE, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, grew from $3.7 billion in FY 2004 to $5.1 billion in Fy 2008.

While billions and billions of taxpayer dollars have been poured into ENFORCEMENT, the number of people coming to the U.S. illegally has increased from an estimated 3.5 million in 1990 to 11 million today.

How much more money do you want to spend?

And, The Pew Hispanic Center estimates that between 25% and 40% of all undocumented immigrants don't "sneak" across the border, they come into the U.S. legally (valid visas) and then stay after their visa's expire.

The problem: A broken federal immigration system.
Carl Schaffner
Jul 31, 2009 7:58 PM
It now appears time for dueling statistics. During the now infamous Fremont Council Meeting a year ago we heard list after list of statistics read. I won’t trouble you all with the OTHER list since each of us needs to find the truth for ourselves. Relaying solely on agenda driven web sites from either sides of this issue for realistic information isn’t constructive. Once you plow through several budgets and lists of crime stats a very clear picture quickly emerges.

The false argument that America is short on labor is also a very disingenuous point. With the “Great Society” of the Mid 60’s we moved our unskilled labor force into a sort of artificial permanent retirement status which is crippling our Nation to this day. In these very blogs many of the “Enablers” have pointed to the number of people, born in the USA, taking advantage of a safety net how being improvised into a Social Welfare Hammock.

Excuses for unlawful behavior don’t make the behaviors legal. If the “Enablers” really truly and passionately cared for the people they currently wish to exploit then why don’t they March on Washington themselves. Instead we watch news footage of waves of bused in Illegal Aliens hired to give cover to dishonest cowards attempting to rip our Nation apart from the inside. This is Nebraska, people know skunks hide in the day using the cover of darkness to attend to their business.
Myths AssumptionsCredible Facts
Aug 1, 2009 7:18 AM
Carl: Respectfully, your response is lacking...but that's ok...it proves my point.

You offered no credible evidence.

Name calling, providing the same endless assumptions and emotionally whipping up fear is not credible evidence.

And unlike your assumption, the credible facts I offered do not come from some blog. I cited specific sources, including: The U.S. Census Bureau; UNO, "Nebraska's Immigrant Population: Economic and Fiscal Impact," 2008; Letter from President/CEO of Fremont Area Medical Center, August 29, 2008, as reprinted in Fremont "Mayor's Task Force".

Again, if you have any credible INFORMATION to add to a rational debate/conversation - I would welcome it?

Unfortuantely, your name calling response and lack of credible information clearly indicates to me that your agenda is NOT conversation, or sorting through the issues to find workable solutions, or a desire to move forward together to uphold our nation's values.

I regret that you have an emotional need to call me and people you disagree with - "skunks"...
Dodge County Iron Fist
Aug 1, 2009 2:28 PM
To : Myths Assumptions Credible Facts

Everything you have said is correct. It’s nice to see that someone can cite the sources of their information, instead of repeating propaganda that they heard on the Michael Savage Radio Show.

Like you, I have also presented evidence that I cited for credible sources, which shows that these ordinances don’t work and the anti-immigration movement is nothing but hysteria and hot air. My posts are always met by Carl Schaffner, Sean, Mr. Schnatz and others whose rebuttals sound like a rant that they heard on their AM radio show of choice.

Fortunately, most law makers, judges, and attorneys also look at credible facts and not regurgitated propaganda when making decisions. Maybe that is why many of these local immigration ordinances are seeing the trashcan instead of the law books.
Carl Schaffner
Aug 2, 2009 12:07 AM
What I find amusing is the clear dichotomy of the “Enablers” argument. On one hand no one has an idea how many, if any illegals, actually are in the USA much less Fremont. Then with the next breath somehow there are hard numbers which can’t be refuted. Cherry picking numbers without putting them into context is meaningless. This site has repeatedly had posters with all the opposing statistics which I will not post again. Seriously people, do your own research and get involved!

For the sake of discussion let’s say all your numbers are 100% true, good for you. Look up the number of “Non-Resident” inmates in US custody and the skyrocketing cost of housing them. Look up the recent hiring in local school districts. Then look at the percent of educational dollars going toward instructing children in a language other than our official State language which, happens to be English. Research the growth of violent gang crime and the cost of policing it. Read the newspaper’s on how many illegal aliens die during “shipment”.

Attempting to quantify the worth of a Nations soul or the moral stain of enslaving people isn’t as simple as a spread sheet. I think you know that. I’m sure the Fremont I live in appreciate that this isn’t a battle of statistics, it’s a question of basic human decency.